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Musk should be concerned about what is going on in his own back yard. If Trump loses in November The US will be closer to civil war than we have in nearly 400 years. The far right in America numbers perhaps in the tens of millions and there is no way they will except a woman of colour as president. January 6th 2022 is just a rehearsal.
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Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 01:49 - Aug 6 with 1155 views
Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 00:21 - Aug 6 by mutters
Can you provide examples of the claims you make? Which engineers and which founders are you talking about?
Tax breaks, sure all businesses get them, especially when you are founding new companies certainly at that scale. Are you saying that because he provided the vision and employed people to help fulfill that vision he is breaking the backs of them. A founder can not do everything, but when he was at x.com (the original one, not the rebranded twitter version) he did do the majority of the coding.
Tesla (not a founder) Paypal (not a founder)
As a software engineer myself, his 'stewardship' of Twitter makes me seriously doubt his credentials of coding x.com.
He's 'anti tax subsidy' yet as of 2015 had received $5bn (with a B) of US tax subsidies for his companies.
He's also the king of broken promises but if you like him, good for you. But don't buy his monorail.
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Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 06:18 - Aug 6 with 1073 views
Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 01:49 - Aug 6 by tcblue
Tesla (not a founder) Paypal (not a founder)
As a software engineer myself, his 'stewardship' of Twitter makes me seriously doubt his credentials of coding x.com.
He's 'anti tax subsidy' yet as of 2015 had received $5bn (with a B) of US tax subsidies for his companies.
He's also the king of broken promises but if you like him, good for you. But don't buy his monorail.
I never said that he founded those companies if you reread my post, he took them over or merged them but he certainly made them better.
His dealings at Twitter have been strange, but it feels like it was something he did on the spur of the moment, entered a deal that he then couldn't get out of. He tried to walk away but was forced to complete the deal.
As somebody that also works in tech his approach there has been unconventional. I started my career as a software engineer but am now in leadership roles. I wouldn't even dare compare myself to the developers these days as my front line skills are definitely rusty, but that doesn't mean I don't understand it. Twitter wasn't making money, the company was bloated and needed reshaping before it ever had a chance to be profitable. As a software engineer it might be possible that you're looking at it from a developers point of view rather than the broader view. What aspects of his time there do you feel have gone awry? He shut down two of the three server farms which could argue left them vulnerable but again the company needed reform. I don't use twitter that much but it has appeared to become a cesspit of misinformation. As for twitter features I am not aware of what changes he has made to the platform that makes you think that?
I don't like him as a person, well I did but his views have diverged away from my views quite dramatically. I just question why you don't think he has good business acumen? Surely you can't deny that he knows how to do business?
Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 06:18 - Aug 6 by mutters
I never said that he founded those companies if you reread my post, he took them over or merged them but he certainly made them better.
His dealings at Twitter have been strange, but it feels like it was something he did on the spur of the moment, entered a deal that he then couldn't get out of. He tried to walk away but was forced to complete the deal.
As somebody that also works in tech his approach there has been unconventional. I started my career as a software engineer but am now in leadership roles. I wouldn't even dare compare myself to the developers these days as my front line skills are definitely rusty, but that doesn't mean I don't understand it. Twitter wasn't making money, the company was bloated and needed reshaping before it ever had a chance to be profitable. As a software engineer it might be possible that you're looking at it from a developers point of view rather than the broader view. What aspects of his time there do you feel have gone awry? He shut down two of the three server farms which could argue left them vulnerable but again the company needed reform. I don't use twitter that much but it has appeared to become a cesspit of misinformation. As for twitter features I am not aware of what changes he has made to the platform that makes you think that?
I don't like him as a person, well I did but his views have diverged away from my views quite dramatically. I just question why you don't think he has good business acumen? Surely you can't deny that he knows how to do business?
He nearly tanked PayPal by trying to force them to switch over to Windows servers for god knows what reason. It was one of the reasons he was ousted.
I'm not sure there's much to his engineering credentials. Whenever he speaks on the subject he does not seem to know what he's talking about.
Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 07:17 - Aug 6 by DanTheMan
He nearly tanked PayPal by trying to force them to switch over to Windows servers for god knows what reason. It was one of the reasons he was ousted.
I'm not sure there's much to his engineering credentials. Whenever he speaks on the subject he does not seem to know what he's talking about.
He has clearly been lucratively succesful, repeatedly. One has to acknowledge businesss acumen though luck may have played a part.
On tech stuff though, he is an idiot.
Do a bit of research into Hyperloop... People were pointing out the obvious massive gaps in the plan long ago but he ploughed on regardless. Like, the fact that metal expands and contracts and maintaining a pressurised large tube miles long is not really within our tech capabilities yet.
Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 06:18 - Aug 6 by mutters
I never said that he founded those companies if you reread my post, he took them over or merged them but he certainly made them better.
His dealings at Twitter have been strange, but it feels like it was something he did on the spur of the moment, entered a deal that he then couldn't get out of. He tried to walk away but was forced to complete the deal.
As somebody that also works in tech his approach there has been unconventional. I started my career as a software engineer but am now in leadership roles. I wouldn't even dare compare myself to the developers these days as my front line skills are definitely rusty, but that doesn't mean I don't understand it. Twitter wasn't making money, the company was bloated and needed reshaping before it ever had a chance to be profitable. As a software engineer it might be possible that you're looking at it from a developers point of view rather than the broader view. What aspects of his time there do you feel have gone awry? He shut down two of the three server farms which could argue left them vulnerable but again the company needed reform. I don't use twitter that much but it has appeared to become a cesspit of misinformation. As for twitter features I am not aware of what changes he has made to the platform that makes you think that?
I don't like him as a person, well I did but his views have diverged away from my views quite dramatically. I just question why you don't think he has good business acumen? Surely you can't deny that he knows how to do business?
I'm also in Engineering management nowadays. Sometimes involved in M&A, albeit nowhere near his level of $>
I do understand how Twitter wasn't making money. Surely this business svengali knew this also? Here's what I wouldn't have done in his position, after sighing at my employers for having to buy a huge loss making platform because they ran their mouth:
- fired all of SRE* - asked each developer to *print out the code they wrote that they're most proud of* to secure their employment - taking away the hilariousness that presumably he wasn't entrusted a Github account, what in the Oliver Twist is that about?
* - bonus points, then shortly afterwards blame the previous government after the API couldn't handle the load anymore and had to be strenuously rate limited
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Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 07:50 - Aug 6 with 977 views
Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 07:21 - Aug 6 by redrickstuhaart
He has clearly been lucratively succesful, repeatedly. One has to acknowledge businesss acumen though luck may have played a part.
On tech stuff though, he is an idiot.
Do a bit of research into Hyperloop... People were pointing out the obvious massive gaps in the plan long ago but he ploughed on regardless. Like, the fact that metal expands and contracts and maintaining a pressurised large tube miles long is not really within our tech capabilities yet.
He was good at making money and seeing there is potential for a market, I'll give him that. Think there is an element of luck but which successful people don't have that.
Hyperloop was always nonsense, it never made any sense. In one of his biographies it came out that he may have only proposed it to stop a city building more public transport. Not sure how reliable the biography is but an interesting theory.
We did get this very funny video out of it though.
Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 06:18 - Aug 6 by mutters
I never said that he founded those companies if you reread my post, he took them over or merged them but he certainly made them better.
His dealings at Twitter have been strange, but it feels like it was something he did on the spur of the moment, entered a deal that he then couldn't get out of. He tried to walk away but was forced to complete the deal.
As somebody that also works in tech his approach there has been unconventional. I started my career as a software engineer but am now in leadership roles. I wouldn't even dare compare myself to the developers these days as my front line skills are definitely rusty, but that doesn't mean I don't understand it. Twitter wasn't making money, the company was bloated and needed reshaping before it ever had a chance to be profitable. As a software engineer it might be possible that you're looking at it from a developers point of view rather than the broader view. What aspects of his time there do you feel have gone awry? He shut down two of the three server farms which could argue left them vulnerable but again the company needed reform. I don't use twitter that much but it has appeared to become a cesspit of misinformation. As for twitter features I am not aware of what changes he has made to the platform that makes you think that?
I don't like him as a person, well I did but his views have diverged away from my views quite dramatically. I just question why you don't think he has good business acumen? Surely you can't deny that he knows how to do business?
If he had any business acumen he’d have licensed Tesla’s IP to all the major OEMs and made billions. Instead his ego meant he spent billions building his own car manufacturer which mostly loses money. PayPal was all someone else’s idea and work, and nobody knows if SpaceX actually makes any profit.
He’s also a provably untrustworthy ‘businessman - a timeshare salesman in a better suit. Here’s a couple of his SEC charges -
Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 13:19 - Aug 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna
If he had any business acumen he’d have licensed Tesla’s IP to all the major OEMs and made billions. Instead his ego meant he spent billions building his own car manufacturer which mostly loses money. PayPal was all someone else’s idea and work, and nobody knows if SpaceX actually makes any profit.
He’s also a provably untrustworthy ‘businessman - a timeshare salesman in a better suit. Here’s a couple of his SEC charges -
Amazing that some people can’t see him for what he is…
Around Teslas IP. There are huge parts of it that are now open source, his companies have often been driven to standardise practices across industries. Even Open AI where he is a co-founder is now in the midst of a legal battle as they have shifted away from non-profit status, which is one of the core principles that that company was built on.
SpaceX is still an unknown quantity, agreed however I am willing to take a bet that when it eventually goes public it will be worth an absolute fortune. The one I am most excited about is Neurolink which has potential life-changing impacts on those who have severe disabilities.
Look I get that he isn't everybody's cup of tea, the conversation here isn't around whether he is a nice person or that he plays fairly, it's about whether he is good at business. I don't doubt that the guy is a Class A bellend, the more time passes the more that is becoming obvious. It's around whether he is a successful businessman and has good business acumen. Which I don't think is in question. You don't become the world richest man by being cr@p at business.
Steve Jobs was a similar type of figure. By a lot of accounts, he was an absolute b£llend to people and a horrible person to boot. He was an outstanding marketeer and innovator. His detractors will of course tell you that that was done to others.
People see the person they want to see. Personally, I see him as a very good businessman. I also see him as a tw@t of a person. Both statements are not mutually exclusive.
Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 13:51 - Aug 6 by mutters
Around Teslas IP. There are huge parts of it that are now open source, his companies have often been driven to standardise practices across industries. Even Open AI where he is a co-founder is now in the midst of a legal battle as they have shifted away from non-profit status, which is one of the core principles that that company was built on.
SpaceX is still an unknown quantity, agreed however I am willing to take a bet that when it eventually goes public it will be worth an absolute fortune. The one I am most excited about is Neurolink which has potential life-changing impacts on those who have severe disabilities.
Look I get that he isn't everybody's cup of tea, the conversation here isn't around whether he is a nice person or that he plays fairly, it's about whether he is good at business. I don't doubt that the guy is a Class A bellend, the more time passes the more that is becoming obvious. It's around whether he is a successful businessman and has good business acumen. Which I don't think is in question. You don't become the world richest man by being cr@p at business.
Steve Jobs was a similar type of figure. By a lot of accounts, he was an absolute b£llend to people and a horrible person to boot. He was an outstanding marketeer and innovator. His detractors will of course tell you that that was done to others.
People see the person they want to see. Personally, I see him as a very good businessman. I also see him as a tw@t of a person. Both statements are not mutually exclusive.
Musk's latest tweets in the last few minutes are troubling. I won't post them here, but take a look.
Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 13:51 - Aug 6 by mutters
Around Teslas IP. There are huge parts of it that are now open source, his companies have often been driven to standardise practices across industries. Even Open AI where he is a co-founder is now in the midst of a legal battle as they have shifted away from non-profit status, which is one of the core principles that that company was built on.
SpaceX is still an unknown quantity, agreed however I am willing to take a bet that when it eventually goes public it will be worth an absolute fortune. The one I am most excited about is Neurolink which has potential life-changing impacts on those who have severe disabilities.
Look I get that he isn't everybody's cup of tea, the conversation here isn't around whether he is a nice person or that he plays fairly, it's about whether he is good at business. I don't doubt that the guy is a Class A bellend, the more time passes the more that is becoming obvious. It's around whether he is a successful businessman and has good business acumen. Which I don't think is in question. You don't become the world richest man by being cr@p at business.
Steve Jobs was a similar type of figure. By a lot of accounts, he was an absolute b£llend to people and a horrible person to boot. He was an outstanding marketeer and innovator. His detractors will of course tell you that that was done to others.
People see the person they want to see. Personally, I see him as a very good businessman. I also see him as a tw@t of a person. Both statements are not mutually exclusive.
Excellent work skipping over all of his charges - most of which he’s also lost appeals to.
I’m sure SpaceX will be worth a lot, mostly driven by his fanboys pumping up the share price if/when they list themselves. I doubt they ever will, because like Twitter their finances will be all smoke and mirrors.
Unlike most of his peers, his money has been made on ridiculous valuations of his companies rather than any actual profit realised. Tesla has only ever had the odd quarter of profit yet is capitalised as the biggest car firm in the world. I’d happily take a bet that it will never be the most profitable - everyone (OEMs) is catching up on tech, but mostly with better reliability and build quality.
As well as that he’s made a fortune on the Ponzi scheme that is crypto - such is his influence he’s been able to influence the market price with his tweets (hence why he was in trouble). That’s not good entrepreneurship mate - that’s fraud in the equities world, noticeably he’s toned it down since Crypro came under the watch.
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Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 14:14 - Aug 6 with 723 views
He is an absolute horror of a human being who is celebrated by human magpie culture because he has a lot of shiny things. He is fundamental in upsetting global stability but for some reason we still use the platform he has destroyed. Time to bin Twitter. The racist C*!*.
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Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 14:18 - Aug 6 with 688 views
Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 14:05 - Aug 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna
Excellent work skipping over all of his charges - most of which he’s also lost appeals to.
I’m sure SpaceX will be worth a lot, mostly driven by his fanboys pumping up the share price if/when they list themselves. I doubt they ever will, because like Twitter their finances will be all smoke and mirrors.
Unlike most of his peers, his money has been made on ridiculous valuations of his companies rather than any actual profit realised. Tesla has only ever had the odd quarter of profit yet is capitalised as the biggest car firm in the world. I’d happily take a bet that it will never be the most profitable - everyone (OEMs) is catching up on tech, but mostly with better reliability and build quality.
As well as that he’s made a fortune on the Ponzi scheme that is crypto - such is his influence he’s been able to influence the market price with his tweets (hence why he was in trouble). That’s not good entrepreneurship mate - that’s fraud in the equities world, noticeably he’s toned it down since Crypro came under the watch.
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I wasn't skipping over it in any way, I acknowledged that he doesn't play fairly, I just didn't deep dive into it as its difficult to answer every point in detail without turning it into an essay! However there is a lot still going on with those charges, and until they are all settled it's difficult to know the outcome. He had some problems when pumping DogeCoin, as he led to that going sky high, and was rightly charged. With great power comes great responsibility. It often feels like he has trouble separating his personal views and approach to life vs his responsibilities as a business leader.
Startup company valuations are often built up on potential rather than actual results. Look how long it took Amazon, arguably one of the most successful companies of the modern era, to turn a profit. When you looked at the valuations of other car companies it was quite amazing to see the difference between a well-established car company (like GM Motors) vs the new kid on the block. How could Tesla be worth so much when they aren't making money? All about potential, and as per your point, other companies are now being forced to move into the EV space, some even planning on stopping making old-school combustible engines to focus solely on electric vehicles. What you think about Musk, he has influenced the direction of travel for society. Also if you think Tesla is just about cars then you are very wrong. Look at their renewables investments, their energy storage tech.
I have never invested in any of his companies directly, though I do invest in funds that has access to early-stage VC rounds, so through that, I have a stake in SpaceX and Tesla amongst other companies. You are right the fanboys do help drive up the price but if you think that these fanboys have that much of an influence on the share price you are wrong. It's the institutions that hold the real power here due to the purchasing power.
Musk "civil war is inevitable" in the UK. on 13:52 - Aug 6 by DublinBlue84
Musk's latest tweets in the last few minutes are troubling. I won't post them here, but take a look.
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I rarely go on Twitter but just looked.
This just reinforces my view that his personal views and mine are so very different and are diverging as time goes by. Why he feels the need to post that cr@p and even get involved in the UK is an absolute mystery.
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