| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 15:54 - Oct 30 with 791 views | WeWereZombies |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 15:43 - Oct 30 by NedPlimpton |
Any reason you've left out Australia, New Zealand, Caribbean countries, North America etc from your list?
Also ignoring the millions who died from famines in India and Bangladesh who have absolutely no say on their opinions of the commonwealth |
But who prospered and who fatally suffered within the British Empire is a complex question. For example, Ireland was both a Home Nation supplying manpower, management and military might in the colonies but also an oppressed people who died in their hundreds of thousands. The Zulu nation rose from people who moved into Southern Africa maybe a century before the arrival of the Afrikaners and could be seen as oppressive towards the Sotho, at war with the British and then in league with the British against the Afrikaners before that situation reversed with the introduction of Apartheid. The Bantu moved into San territories in what is now Botswana and Namibia, and brought with them Iron Age technology in much the same way as Celts usurped Stone Age tribes as the ruling power in the western parts of this archipelago off the north west coast of Europe. There are many other examples. |  |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:13 - Oct 30 with 745 views | Clapham_Junction |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 15:43 - Oct 30 by NedPlimpton |
Any reason you've left out Australia, New Zealand, Caribbean countries, North America etc from your list?
Also ignoring the millions who died from famines in India and Bangladesh who have absolutely no say on their opinions of the commonwealth |
I left them out because it wasn't relevant to my point. Your post that I was responding to effectively said that we'd wiped out indigenous populations in all 56 commonwealth member countries. The response was pointing out that we had not.
India and Bangladesh's governments have both chosen to remain in the commonwealth despite how their populations were treated.
It's also worth noting that several countries that were not British colonies have also chosen to join, such as Gabon, Mozambique and Rwanda. |  | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:26 - Oct 30 with 724 views | NedPlimpton |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:13 - Oct 30 by Clapham_Junction |
I left them out because it wasn't relevant to my point. Your post that I was responding to effectively said that we'd wiped out indigenous populations in all 56 commonwealth member countries. The response was pointing out that we had not.
India and Bangladesh's governments have both chosen to remain in the commonwealth despite how their populations were treated.
It's also worth noting that several countries that were not British colonies have also chosen to join, such as Gabon, Mozambique and Rwanda. |
I definitely don't think I'd said we'd wiped out 56 native populations and if that's your take from it then fair enough
Pretty horrendous wiping out any number to be fair |  | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:30 - Oct 30 with 709 views | Clapham_Junction |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:26 - Oct 30 by NedPlimpton |
I definitely don't think I'd said we'd wiped out 56 native populations and if that's your take from it then fair enough
Pretty horrendous wiping out any number to be fair |
Your response to:
After all, why would there be 56 sovereign state members of the Commonwealth if they shared your view that the British Empire was essentially a genocidal project built on slavery and the destruction of ancient cultures.
was:
Those countries only exist because of the commonwealth. I'm sure if you asked the native population their views you'd get a very different opinion. Oh wait, you can't because we wiped out indigenous populations! | | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:35 - Oct 30 with 688 views | NedPlimpton |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:30 - Oct 30 by Clapham_Junction |
Your response to:
After all, why would there be 56 sovereign state members of the Commonwealth if they shared your view that the British Empire was essentially a genocidal project built on slavery and the destruction of ancient cultures.
was:
Those countries only exist because of the commonwealth. I'm sure if you asked the native population their views you'd get a very different opinion. Oh wait, you can't because we wiped out indigenous populations! |
Add the word 'some' in front of indigenous. There we go, fixed
Still pretty awful though, right? | | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:52 - Oct 30 with 669 views | Clapham_Junction |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:35 - Oct 30 by NedPlimpton |
Add the word 'some' in front of indigenous. There we go, fixed
Still pretty awful though, right? |
Yes, the actions of the British in the vast majority of our colonies was abhorrent and is still causing problems for most of them today. I don't think anyone could seriously deny that.
That can be easily be said without making untrue claims about wiping people out or countries not existing if we had not colonised them. | | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 17:02 - Oct 30 with 643 views | NedPlimpton |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:52 - Oct 30 by Clapham_Junction |
Yes, the actions of the British in the vast majority of our colonies was abhorrent and is still causing problems for most of them today. I don't think anyone could seriously deny that.
That can be easily be said without making untrue claims about wiping people out or countries not existing if we had not colonised them. |
There's plenty of countries that wouldn't exist in their current form if it wasn't for colonialism and there's plenty of native populations that were brought close to extinction. These are not untrue claims. I think most people have gathered I wasn't literally meaning ALL countries and ALL native populations.
Either way, my grammar really isn't the point in question here! | | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 18:53 - Oct 30 with 585 views | mellowblue |
widows in India were probably pleased |  | | |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:05 - Oct 31 with 448 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:52 - Oct 30 by Clapham_Junction |
Yes, the actions of the British in the vast majority of our colonies was abhorrent and is still causing problems for most of them today. I don't think anyone could seriously deny that.
That can be easily be said without making untrue claims about wiping people out or countries not existing if we had not colonised them. |
Your infantile view of a parallel reality clearly ignores the beneficial effect of cricket and rugby in civilising and pacifying the natives - and how so many of our colonies have benefitted from the introduction of trout.
And don’t forget the railways. | |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 18:54 - Oct 31 with 384 views | Leaky |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 12:16 - Oct 29 by mutters |
I've been a large number of ex colonies that gained independence and I was surprised about the number of locals who wished they had remained under British control / influence. Their reasoning really was around how their countries had declined once Britain had left (with respects to infrastructure, wealth generation, standard of living, global position in the world). This was certainly more of the view of the older generation who had seen life before and after Indy |
Was told the same while visiting Kenya |  | | |
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