| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless 11:12 - Dec 28 with 3066 views | redrickstuhaart |
Just seen this Pedro incident. A clearer red card is hard to imagine. "No violent conduct". Either their judgment is so addled from the pressure, or they are utterly corrupt. Or both. |  | | |  |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 12:12 - Dec 29 with 512 views | Plums |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 12:01 - Dec 29 by CrayonKing |
During the game they cut to Mark Clattenburg who claimed that because no contact was made then it wasn't violent conduct because intent isn't in the rules any more.
But that, assuming its up to date, clearly says "regardless of whether contact is made".
Guess it shows what a mess the rules are if a supposed refereeing expert can't remember them all! |
I don't imagine for a second that the VAR officials rely on memory of the laws when reviewing decisions. They'll have the wording available. If Clattenberg's got it wrong and he's paid to opine on TV then that's on him. |  |
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| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 12:21 - Dec 29 with 495 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
The long delay with the cunha incident proves how corrupt this league is. Need someone of more importance to point this out on TV for any chance of anything changing soon though. | | | |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 13:08 - Dec 29 with 438 views | redrickstuhaart |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 12:12 - Dec 29 by Plums |
I don't imagine for a second that the VAR officials rely on memory of the laws when reviewing decisions. They'll have the wording available. If Clattenberg's got it wrong and he's paid to opine on TV then that's on him. |
Which illustrates my point. These people literally appear not to know the actual rules. | | | |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 13:10 - Dec 29 with 435 views | redrickstuhaart |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 11:50 - Dec 29 by Plums |
There is nothing in Mike Dean's account that suggests he wasn't impartial i.e. favouring one side over the other.
How much of the sort of incident described goes on? I don't know - but what I do know is the officials' decisions are pored over by themselves, their peers and observers on a match by match basis so they are all acutely aware of any errors and omissions.
VAR and the scrutiny of it is in danger of making football disappear further up its own backside than it already is. |
He was clearly not impartial. He made an incorrect decision for his own reasons which in turn favoured one side.
His reason does not change the fact that it was not an impartial decision or reasoning. | | | |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 14:05 - Dec 29 with 415 views | melbs_itfc |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 11:50 - Dec 29 by Plums |
There is nothing in Mike Dean's account that suggests he wasn't impartial i.e. favouring one side over the other.
How much of the sort of incident described goes on? I don't know - but what I do know is the officials' decisions are pored over by themselves, their peers and observers on a match by match basis so they are all acutely aware of any errors and omissions.
VAR and the scrutiny of it is in danger of making football disappear further up its own backside than it already is. |
I know you meant impartial in the sense of Dean not favouring one side over another, but he readily admits in his account that he consciously failed to make the right decision as VAR because of prioritising looking after his mate (on-field referee) to “spare him more grief”. Being human or not,
Surely that is indefensible and certainly raises the question of how widespread this issue may be. Hence, as I stated previously that I strongly believe that on-field referees should not also be VAR on the rotation system it is currently. Imo there needs to be a clear separation between the two (VAR not managed by PGMOL) and never the twain shall meet, both for the integrity of the game and also likely lessen the pressure for referees. Whether or not it will realistically happen or not is another thing entirely! | | | |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 14:21 - Dec 29 with 394 views | Plums |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 14:05 - Dec 29 by melbs_itfc |
I know you meant impartial in the sense of Dean not favouring one side over another, but he readily admits in his account that he consciously failed to make the right decision as VAR because of prioritising looking after his mate (on-field referee) to “spare him more grief”. Being human or not,
Surely that is indefensible and certainly raises the question of how widespread this issue may be. Hence, as I stated previously that I strongly believe that on-field referees should not also be VAR on the rotation system it is currently. Imo there needs to be a clear separation between the two (VAR not managed by PGMOL) and never the twain shall meet, both for the integrity of the game and also likely lessen the pressure for referees. Whether or not it will realistically happen or not is another thing entirely! |
It's an interesting idea but at what point in an official's career pathway do they deviate from being an on field ref to specialising in VAR? I can't see that being an attractive option for referees who believe they have the ability to get to the top of the game. It's hard enough making the call whether to specialise as a lino or continue on the pathway as a ref.
There's a risk that the ones who aren't good enough are those who end up in the box watching the screen... | |
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| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 14:26 - Dec 29 with 390 views | longtimefan |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 12:12 - Dec 29 by Plums |
I don't imagine for a second that the VAR officials rely on memory of the laws when reviewing decisions. They'll have the wording available. If Clattenberg's got it wrong and he's paid to opine on TV then that's on him. |
Clattenberg has definitely got it wrong. The actual wording for Violent conduct is:
Violent conduct
Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or
brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a
team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person,
regardless of whether contact is made.
The words "uses or attempts" definitely imply intent is considered | | | |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 14:32 - Dec 29 with 382 views | redrickstuhaart |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 14:26 - Dec 29 by longtimefan |
Clattenberg has definitely got it wrong. The actual wording for Violent conduct is:
Violent conduct
Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or
brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a
team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person,
regardless of whether contact is made.
The words "uses or attempts" definitely imply intent is considered |
I know this without looking it up. How can a professional referee get it wrong, on var?!! | | | |
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| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 02:40 - Dec 30 with 317 views | melbs_itfc |
| These refs and VAR are utterly clueless on 14:21 - Dec 29 by Plums |
It's an interesting idea but at what point in an official's career pathway do they deviate from being an on field ref to specialising in VAR? I can't see that being an attractive option for referees who believe they have the ability to get to the top of the game. It's hard enough making the call whether to specialise as a lino or continue on the pathway as a ref.
There's a risk that the ones who aren't good enough are those who end up in the box watching the screen... |
Well I didn’t say I had all the answers! Haha. Maybe, it could work with a seperate pathway for those referees who have a passion for technology and/or don’t want or no longer wish to have the pressure of being an on-field referee. Perhaps even ex-players or retired referees, especially as the role doesn’t require the same physical attributes that on-field referees do. I think as long as there is specialist training for VAR and a high bar for qualification then I don’t have the same concerns as you regarding the potential risk of less quality personnel operating it.
Anyway, good ‘chatting’ to you. Here’s to a positive result against Chelsea, perhaps with a late winner due to VAR intervention! Cheers. | | | |
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