| The result was not a reflection of how the game went 17:47 - Feb 22 with 1568 views | GeoffSentence |
It was, however, a reflection of how clinical you have to be in this division and how we are lacking in that department.
I'm not sure if Spurs did actually score with their first two efforts on target but that's how it felt, whilst we battered them for the first 8 minutes, had three good chances and put none of them away.
Son is some player, their initial tactic seemed to be give it to Son and let him tear us apart.
We did well to keep him quiet second half and taking him off swung the game back in their favour.
In other reflections I am losing count of the number of goals we give away from a left sided player running at our defence. It seems to happen week after week at Portman Road.
Also was distinctly unimpressed with Philogene today, he might as well have not been on the pitch for all the good he was doing, he needs to up his game and preferably bulk up a bit. I'm not sure how he managed to stay on for the whole game, I think we would have been better bringing on Szmodics in the middle and moving Hutch out to the right.
Never mind, United are there for the taking and we are better away.
COYB
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| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 17:48 - Feb 22 with 1548 views | ArnieM |
Once again we are left ruing our gilt edged chances. Town should have been 3-0 up in those fist 5 mins, make no mistake. But we squandered these chances.
The scoreline totally flatters Spurs. But yet again we are suckered on the transition/ break. We missed Axel so much today. Godfrey to slow and was beaten all ends up every time Spurs attacked down that flank.
Fir me, Town are effective down now. I'm disappointed but al.ostlooking forward to next season niw. This squad isn't PL level. It's a very young developing squad tbh. But I think this is a conscious recruitment strategy by the club, regardless of us being in the PL. So for me, this season was always a free hit because we hadn't expected to be in the PL.
Tactics:
Once again, I feel McKenna has got it wrong.
Why was Broadhead on the bench, and Philogene and Clarke on from the start? They're lightweight and i can't honestly see what they offer at this level.
Why was Townsend dropped? He play really well in the last game. He defends far better than Davis for sure.
The striker conundrum:
Delap will always get picked first. But even though he's our top score I'd challenge this. He burns fiercely fir the 30 mins of a game, and Spurs certainly couldn't cope with him, but he didn't put the ball in thd net from dead cert goal scoring positions. Spurs then catch their breath and re group. They put at least 2 players on Delap, and that's him finished as a threat. This happens in games a lot.
Delap as a striker is totally different to Hirst. He likes to run at players and is power, but he doesn't blend as well with the other front me for me. Hirst i feel should start, as should Broadhead.....for me, Delap should come on later in the game with his power running and play him wide, alongside Hirst, not INSTEAD of. But McKenna will never do this.
Of became come out of the blocks at Man Utd like we today, and we actually take our chances, I think we will win. But the resurgence of Wolves frankly makes it irrelevant. |  |
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| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 18:01 - Feb 22 with 1483 views | FrimleyBlue |
Philogene can't develop if he doesn't play.
I do agree however he should have come off earlier in the 2nd half.
Same for delap
Same for Jack clarke
This is our issue and not one we can solve. It's a side for of developing players no matter who you pick..
Even when you talk of phillips. He's developing back to what he once was.
See these players in 2 or 3 years time and they're purchases will make absolute sense.
Some for player trading. Some for our own playing squad |  |
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| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 18:52 - Feb 22 with 1405 views | ArnieM |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 18:01 - Feb 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Philogene can't develop if he doesn't play.
I do agree however he should have come off earlier in the 2nd half.
Same for delap
Same for Jack clarke
This is our issue and not one we can solve. It's a side for of developing players no matter who you pick..
Even when you talk of phillips. He's developing back to what he once was.
See these players in 2 or 3 years time and they're purchases will make absolute sense.
Some for player trading. Some for our own playing squad |
I’ve thought all season that Town are recruiting as they had always intended too, NOT specifically for us being in the PL. We weren't expecting to get promoted to the PL this season, and our targets are essentially targets to be further developed at Championship level.
But the PL is a charade, and I really won’t miss it. | |
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| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 18:58 - Feb 22 with 1378 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 18:52 - Feb 22 by ArnieM |
I’ve thought all season that Town are recruiting as they had always intended too, NOT specifically for us being in the PL. We weren't expecting to get promoted to the PL this season, and our targets are essentially targets to be further developed at Championship level.
But the PL is a charade, and I really won’t miss it. |
I just don't see how any manager let alone one as successful as KM has been with us. Would target that set of transfers to go into the squad we have and feel it would cope with this level of football.
That's not a slight and saying he's undestimated it. At the end of the day he's worked in it before.. but I do genuinely think staying up was never spoken of as a realistic outcome without point deductions..
The two window transfers incomings literally look like long term plans not 1 season.
Godfrey on loan... another example.. barely played all season. Not exactly a signing who could come in and help with quality on arrival were probably another month away from seeing a solid performance from him imo.
It all bodes extremely well for the future of course and it'll be exciting to see where it takes us.. but I think there's alot more pain to come this season to get through first. | |
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| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 19:02 - Feb 22 with 1346 views | BarcaBlue |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 18:58 - Feb 22 by FrimleyBlue |
I just don't see how any manager let alone one as successful as KM has been with us. Would target that set of transfers to go into the squad we have and feel it would cope with this level of football.
That's not a slight and saying he's undestimated it. At the end of the day he's worked in it before.. but I do genuinely think staying up was never spoken of as a realistic outcome without point deductions..
The two window transfers incomings literally look like long term plans not 1 season.
Godfrey on loan... another example.. barely played all season. Not exactly a signing who could come in and help with quality on arrival were probably another month away from seeing a solid performance from him imo.
It all bodes extremely well for the future of course and it'll be exciting to see where it takes us.. but I think there's alot more pain to come this season to get through first. |
Are you really saying that Ashton and McKenna never considered staying up and went into the season without talking about subsequent seasons other than planning for the Championship? |  | | |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 19:13 - Feb 22 with 1298 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 19:02 - Feb 22 by BarcaBlue |
Are you really saying that Ashton and McKenna never considered staying up and went into the season without talking about subsequent seasons other than planning for the Championship? |
I do believe that yes.
But that is solely my opinion. I'm not feeling anyone else will share the same thoughts. | |
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| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 19:19 - Feb 22 with 1267 views | BarcaBlue |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 19:13 - Feb 22 by FrimleyBlue |
I do believe that yes.
But that is solely my opinion. I'm not feeling anyone else will share the same thoughts. |
I doubt anyone will agree as it's nonsense. It would mean Ashton giving the manager 5 million quid in 2024 and saying, ok let's plan for a promotion push in 2026. | | | |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 19:21 - Feb 22 with 1246 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 19:19 - Feb 22 by BarcaBlue |
I doubt anyone will agree as it's nonsense. It would mean Ashton giving the manager 5 million quid in 2024 and saying, ok let's plan for a promotion push in 2026. |
Like I said months ago. For me KM is off in the summer regardless. The contract enables the club to receive a nice bit of compo and was a reward for promotions but protection for the club financially too.
Anyways. Personal thoughts. Hey ho | |
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| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 20:07 - Feb 22 with 1171 views | BarcaBlue |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 19:21 - Feb 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Like I said months ago. For me KM is off in the summer regardless. The contract enables the club to receive a nice bit of compo and was a reward for promotions but protection for the club financially too.
Anyways. Personal thoughts. Hey ho |
That makes no sense but you probably know that already. McKenna would have got bonuses and we would have received compensation had he left. We didn't keep him on to not consider staying up. Can you imagine explaining that to the owners? | | | |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 20:24 - Feb 22 with 1112 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 19:19 - Feb 22 by BarcaBlue |
I doubt anyone will agree as it's nonsense. It would mean Ashton giving the manager 5 million quid in 2024 and saying, ok let's plan for a promotion push in 2026. |
Well it just goes to show, doesn't it?
We get promoted ahead of schedule so what's next for the money men? One of these options I guess:
Spend like Forest did, accept you will get a points deduction and/or fine but take that chance,
Accept you're getting relegated but start to build a near-PL team for a Championship promotion next season.
Try and do something in between (spend within limits, build a better squad, loan in where you think required). |  |
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| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 21:20 - Feb 22 with 1033 views | ArnieM |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 19:19 - Feb 22 by BarcaBlue |
I doubt anyone will agree as it's nonsense. It would mean Ashton giving the manager 5 million quid in 2024 and saying, ok let's plan for a promotion push in 2026. |
It Ashton has said more than once, that their recruitment targets are identified and planned for at least TWO windows ahead. So the players we have signed thuis season were identified specifically for the Championship, not the PL. | |
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| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 21:27 - Feb 22 with 1008 views | Horsham |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 21:20 - Feb 22 by ArnieM |
It Ashton has said more than once, that their recruitment targets are identified and planned for at least TWO windows ahead. So the players we have signed thuis season were identified specifically for the Championship, not the PL. |
Only they weren’t because if we’d been planning as a championship club we’d not have spent £120m. |  | | |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 21:43 - Feb 22 with 956 views | BarcaBlue |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 21:27 - Feb 22 by Horsham |
Only they weren’t because if we’d been planning as a championship club we’d not have spent £120m. |
Precisely...and we wouldn't have kept McKenna on either as it takes no talent to get relegated. If the argument was to try to compete in the PL but to take the possibility of relegation into account then that would make sense but to build a team with the goal of relegation is plain bizarre. | | | |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 22:06 - Feb 22 with 879 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 21:43 - Feb 22 by BarcaBlue |
Precisely...and we wouldn't have kept McKenna on either as it takes no talent to get relegated. If the argument was to try to compete in the PL but to take the possibility of relegation into account then that would make sense but to build a team with the goal of relegation is plain bizarre. |
No one has said the goal is relegation.
Doesn't mean it couldn't be accepted that it would be a highly likely end of season result.
Keeping KM for 1 more season on a higher contract 1.. brings in more money as compensation for when he does go.
2..enables KM to help develop the young players he was already working with. Having KM was attractive to be able to sign the players we have.
For KM the benefits are. This season was seen as a relegation certainty. His stock has risen as many believe the games we have been competitive in is solely down to his magic. ( sky and BBC comments).
He gets a higher salary. A higher compo package when he leaves. Experience at managing in the prem with no risk of losing a job whilst doing so.
Personally. If you take the squad that got us from league 1/champ into the prem and only add a dash of champ players to it that imo Is acceptance of the fate you'll have come the end of season not one that believes that it would be good enough to stay up. Plus the Jan window following suit. It's a future squad and trading spend nothing more to me. | |
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| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 22:15 - Feb 22 with 855 views | BarcaBlue |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 22:06 - Feb 22 by FrimleyBlue |
No one has said the goal is relegation.
Doesn't mean it couldn't be accepted that it would be a highly likely end of season result.
Keeping KM for 1 more season on a higher contract 1.. brings in more money as compensation for when he does go.
2..enables KM to help develop the young players he was already working with. Having KM was attractive to be able to sign the players we have.
For KM the benefits are. This season was seen as a relegation certainty. His stock has risen as many believe the games we have been competitive in is solely down to his magic. ( sky and BBC comments).
He gets a higher salary. A higher compo package when he leaves. Experience at managing in the prem with no risk of losing a job whilst doing so.
Personally. If you take the squad that got us from league 1/champ into the prem and only add a dash of champ players to it that imo Is acceptance of the fate you'll have come the end of season not one that believes that it would be good enough to stay up. Plus the Jan window following suit. It's a future squad and trading spend nothing more to me. |
but I do genuinely think staying up was never spoken of as a realistic outcome
Those are your words, you are now saying something different.
Of course the plan was to stay up and of course that was the plan and would have been spoken about extensively. And of course the possibility of relegation was spoken about too but to deny the former is just daft. | | | |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 22:22 - Feb 22 with 826 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 22:15 - Feb 22 by BarcaBlue |
but I do genuinely think staying up was never spoken of as a realistic outcome
Those are your words, you are now saying something different.
Of course the plan was to stay up and of course that was the plan and would have been spoken about extensively. And of course the possibility of relegation was spoken about too but to deny the former is just daft. |
Thats not a goal Barca. Apologies of I define it differently to you but if It was a goal then I'd have said they targeted relegation.
Imo the target was develop the squad. Rebuild it and hope psr puts out some point deductions and we can take advantage.
You can say it's daft. That's fine. I think it's daft personally to think safety was seen as doable by the recruitment we made. | |
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| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 22:33 - Feb 22 with 764 views | BarcaBlue |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 22:22 - Feb 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Thats not a goal Barca. Apologies of I define it differently to you but if It was a goal then I'd have said they targeted relegation.
Imo the target was develop the squad. Rebuild it and hope psr puts out some point deductions and we can take advantage.
You can say it's daft. That's fine. I think it's daft personally to think safety was seen as doable by the recruitment we made. |
Well in your view they didn't speak about staying up so that really leaves one other option. A goal, a target, a consequence, a plan...it doesn't really matter what we call it, the result is the same. There was no plan, target, goal etc to stay up, that's what you're saying and what I'm calling daft. | | | |
| The result was not a reflection of how the game went on 22:40 - Feb 22 with 739 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
We were on the other end of how Coventry would have felt when we played well. Maybe the better team between boxes but the clinical team get the big win. |  | | |
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