| Sir David 20:43 - Jun 6 with 2447 views | vapour_trail |
Full disclosure. I think the honours system is the very worst of us. It’s massively privileged c-nts patting other predominately massively c-nts on the back.
Anyway.
Jenni Bond just called him the king of football on my radio. What a tvvat she is. Glasgow blue once told me off for calling another old woman a tvvat on these pages so hopefully he’s not reading.
Apparently he’s (beckham, not gb) been petitioning for this for some time.
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| Sir David on 10:53 - Jun 8 with 205 views | pstudd |
I agree with everything you have said about the honours system. It spectacularly fails to recognise ordinary people, without wealth or prestige, who make greater commitments for the public good. The one thing that does stick out for me about Beckham is when he bothered to queue with the British public to pay his respects to the Queen lying in state. Unlike other celebs, he didn't use his status then and was happy chinwagging with the ordinary folk. Unless his PR team set this all up, he came across well with the British public for that moment. |  | | |
| Sir David on 10:59 - Jun 8 with 202 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Sir David on 10:47 - Jun 8 by Churchman |
Knighthoods, OBEs all of it - in the bin. Knighthoods for the likes of Beckham are stepping stones to the HoL just as it was for Ian Botham and others. One award, French style, for charitable, extraordinary contribution to society is enough. Bravery awards, civilian and military are fine as they are.
Just about anything is better than a second Chamber consists of chinless inbreeds sprung from the loins of historical landowners/gentry, handsomely paid sports people, actors and people from the arts, so called business men - knumskulls peddling rubbish like Alan Sugar and old, failed politicians wheeled in to boost the numbers supporting their awful policies.
Why should religious people be in it? Or failed, useless politicians whose mission since god knows when has been to make everyone poorer.
Since none of these people are qualified and most only turn up for the cracking lunch and expenses, there is other ways you could do it. Draft your average person in for say a two year stint as you do for Jury service. Alternatively make the second chamber an electable one concentrating on the legal aspects. Maybe draft a person from each council from the majority party?
Lastly, just scrap it. We elect MPs to make policy and to see it implemented. That should not be subject to delay and blocking by a load of unelected crusties. Let’s face it, at the base of all this, the HoL exists to perpetuate the pyramid system of privilege headed up by monarchy.
Just thoughts and ideas off the top of my head. [Post edited 8 Jun 10:50]
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The idea of a second chamber is to say to the Commons "Are you sure, what about this ?"
They dont make the laws because the Commons have the power to over rule them.
For that you need people of common sense and experience. Ideally from widely different walks of life. |  | | |
| Sir David on 11:26 - Jun 8 with 166 views | Churchman |
| Sir David on 10:59 - Jun 8 by flykickingbybgunn |
The idea of a second chamber is to say to the Commons "Are you sure, what about this ?"
They dont make the laws because the Commons have the power to over rule them.
For that you need people of common sense and experience. Ideally from widely different walks of life. |
Wiki gives a good description of the history of the HoL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords#:~:text=The%20House%20of%20Lords%20
Whatever they do or don’t do, they are there for the reasons given earlier. Whatever relevance has Lord Chinless of Mightymansion to you and me? What experience does he have that is superior to anyone, unless you believe the class system means these people are genetically superior.
What is the point of Lord Grayling? He’s one of the most stupid people I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across. Look in his eyes you’ll see the back of his head. Vacant. An unelected trough truffler. Bet he enjoys those lunches once somebody has shown him how to use a knife and fork. Every day. Yet there he sits to use your words asking elected politicians ‘are you sure about this’.
We can do better than that. Cromwell disposed of the HoL in 1649 (it returned with the Resoration). Michael Foot and Enoch Powell wanted to dispose of it in the 1980s and it formed part of the Labour Manifesto in 1983. They were right.
It belongs in the bin of history. Lords and Commoners (Commons). The clue is in the wording. It’s 2025 and an anachronism that cost £104m in 2023. For what exactly? The preservation of privilege paid for by you and me. There has to be a better way for the money. [Post edited 8 Jun 11:30]
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| Sir David on 11:54 - Jun 8 with 147 views | stonojnr |
| Sir David on 21:02 - Jun 6 by Swansea_Blue |
He does a lot of good work when increasingly men with public profiles are using their fame/wealth/power to be complete c-units. So I don't begrudge him it at all. He's earned it. But he wouldn't have been able to earn it without being rich/famous, so that's where I have an issue with the system. |
the problem I always had with knighting Beckham was alot of that "good deeds work" he did, largely it seemed at the behest of Posh spice, was purely to lobby for getting a knighthood, he wasnt doing those things for anything other than self interest to gain a knighthood from doing it.
whilst I think doing good deeds should be their own reward, the gongs and stuff shouldnt matter, lots of people do charitable work and dedicate themselves to making other peoples lives better, they dont do it so they can get a gong from it.
so sure if he'd dedicated the rest of his life and his fortune to making the world better fair enough, but he hasnt so we're left rewarding him for simply being well known, well done, your famous here have a medal.
but since they hand them out increasingly like medals at a school sports day now its harder to justify not giving him or anyone one really
and theres always an element of politics involved, the government of the day always likes a bit of self reflected glory for the celebrity awards.
theyll probably knight linekar next. |  | | |
| Sir David on 12:12 - Jun 8 with 138 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Sir David on 11:54 - Jun 8 by stonojnr |
the problem I always had with knighting Beckham was alot of that "good deeds work" he did, largely it seemed at the behest of Posh spice, was purely to lobby for getting a knighthood, he wasnt doing those things for anything other than self interest to gain a knighthood from doing it.
whilst I think doing good deeds should be their own reward, the gongs and stuff shouldnt matter, lots of people do charitable work and dedicate themselves to making other peoples lives better, they dont do it so they can get a gong from it.
so sure if he'd dedicated the rest of his life and his fortune to making the world better fair enough, but he hasnt so we're left rewarding him for simply being well known, well done, your famous here have a medal.
but since they hand them out increasingly like medals at a school sports day now its harder to justify not giving him or anyone one really
and theres always an element of politics involved, the government of the day always likes a bit of self reflected glory for the celebrity awards.
theyll probably knight linekar next. |
Lord Lineaker of Goal Hanging | | | |
| Sir David on 12:22 - Jun 8 with 129 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Sir David on 11:26 - Jun 8 by Churchman |
Wiki gives a good description of the history of the HoL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords#:~:text=The%20House%20of%20Lords%20
Whatever they do or don’t do, they are there for the reasons given earlier. Whatever relevance has Lord Chinless of Mightymansion to you and me? What experience does he have that is superior to anyone, unless you believe the class system means these people are genetically superior.
What is the point of Lord Grayling? He’s one of the most stupid people I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across. Look in his eyes you’ll see the back of his head. Vacant. An unelected trough truffler. Bet he enjoys those lunches once somebody has shown him how to use a knife and fork. Every day. Yet there he sits to use your words asking elected politicians ‘are you sure about this’.
We can do better than that. Cromwell disposed of the HoL in 1649 (it returned with the Resoration). Michael Foot and Enoch Powell wanted to dispose of it in the 1980s and it formed part of the Labour Manifesto in 1983. They were right.
It belongs in the bin of history. Lords and Commoners (Commons). The clue is in the wording. It’s 2025 and an anachronism that cost £104m in 2023. For what exactly? The preservation of privilege paid for by you and me. There has to be a better way for the money. [Post edited 8 Jun 11:30]
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The for what is that it has the power to ask the primary house to reconsider, which is a good thing. It is just that it needs to be more representitive. And we dont need 100's of them. In fact 100 would be enough.
How about each party can nominate in proportion to the national vote at the election ? That would at least provide a balanced opinion. | | | |
| Sir David on 14:06 - Jun 8 with 91 views | Churchman |
| Sir David on 12:22 - Jun 8 by flykickingbybgunn |
The for what is that it has the power to ask the primary house to reconsider, which is a good thing. It is just that it needs to be more representitive. And we dont need 100's of them. In fact 100 would be enough.
How about each party can nominate in proportion to the national vote at the election ? That would at least provide a balanced opinion. |
The Senate is 100 seats. More than enough.
I like your second paragraph. I’d back that. | | | |
| Sir David on 14:31 - Jun 8 with 78 views | Ryorry |
| Sir David on 22:13 - Jun 6 by mellowblue |
did a lot of work on the failed World Cup bids, plenty of soft diplomacy. |
Also with the succcessful London 2012 Olympics bidding process - not just because of his global fame as a footballer, but because of the 'legacy for kids' & redevelopment of E. London focus of the bid, with him being an East End kid made good etc.
https://radar.brookes.ac.uk/radar/file/70a13218-1b1c-76e5-cfd7-bbd15b9bdeee/1/CS
Along with many others obviously. People tend to underestimate just how influential & valuable soft power can be though. |  |
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