| Huni's count 23:26 - Jun 7 with 6659 views | Zx1988 |
I don't do boxing, so help me out a little here please.
I'm seeing a lot of talk on social media about the count for Huni being particularly fast, or otherwise non-standard. Is there any credence to the claims?
Does a boxer merely have to be up before the count of 10, or do they need to be up, compus mentus, and ready to go? |  |
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| Huni's count on 17:42 - Jun 8 with 454 views | Jrm_72 |
| Huni's count on 17:30 - Jun 8 by DJR |
The is the WBA rule on knock-downs.
Knockdown.
When a boxer is knocked down, the referee shall order the opponent
to retire to the farthest neutral corner of the ring in relation to the down boxer, pointing at such corner, and shall immediately count the seconds in a loud voice, with a movement of his arm, taking the count from the timekeeper. If the boxer refuses to go to the farthest corner determined by the referee, or does not stay there, the referee shall stop the count until the boxer retires to the indicated corner, and then the referee shall continue with the count starting from the point from which it was interrupted. If the downed boxer does not rise before the count of ten (10), he will be declared the loser by KO (Knockout), and the referee shall make it known by waving both arms. A boxer who rises and can continue the bout shall receive a minimum count of eight (8) seconds.
I also came across this on the following website, although I can't vouch for it.
https://expertboxing.com/how-does-the-10-count-work-in-boxing
"The “ten-count” was originally introduced to boxing as “the gentleman’s rule” as in never hitting an opponent while he’s down. When an opponent gets knocked down, the ref sends the other fighter to a neutral WHITE corner (where he can’t get coached) and gives the downed fighter 10 seconds to get back up on his feet. If he’s up by 10, the ref checks him over one last time (looking at his overall health, eyes, balance) and wipes his gloves before letting the fight continue. If he doesn’t get up by 10, the fight is waved off and a KNOCKOUT victory is declared for the other fighter.
Nowadays the 10 count is enforced unevenly depending on who is getting knocked down. If the visiting fighter is downed, the count starts immediately when he hits the canvas and refs are often quick to wave him off even when he gets up. They’ll claim, “I saw it in his eyes. He looked out of it.”
But when the home fighter is knocked down, the ref takes his time sending the visiting fighter to the neutral corner before issuing a slow 10-count. Then when the home fighter gets up, the ref gives him extra seconds by asking him if he’s ready to continue (sometimes even holding him up), also wiping his gloves, and then finally letting the fight resume."
The only observation I would make is that he didn't look stable on his feet when he got up, so I am not sure he has any real complaints. [Post edited 8 Jun 17:44]
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I'd add to the Home vs Away fighter bias referenced here the bias that if the downed opponent is the defending champion, or is the "a-side" of the fight in terms of star power, or if the downed opponent was winning on points AND it's the last round.
I'd also point out that each of the alphabet boxing boards have different rules - some insist on the minimum 8 count, some don't. Some I think have the rule of a "standing 8 count" where it's in effect ruled a knockdown even if still on your feet. Obviously, WBA rules are the relevant ones here as that is who sanctioned the fight (it was for their "interim" "regular" world title I believe).
Having no unified world body doesn't help with the overall murkiness of boxing narrative. | | | |
| Huni's count on 17:51 - Jun 8 with 412 views | DJR |
| Huni's count on 17:42 - Jun 8 by Jrm_72 |
I'd add to the Home vs Away fighter bias referenced here the bias that if the downed opponent is the defending champion, or is the "a-side" of the fight in terms of star power, or if the downed opponent was winning on points AND it's the last round.
I'd also point out that each of the alphabet boxing boards have different rules - some insist on the minimum 8 count, some don't. Some I think have the rule of a "standing 8 count" where it's in effect ruled a knockdown even if still on your feet. Obviously, WBA rules are the relevant ones here as that is who sanctioned the fight (it was for their "interim" "regular" world title I believe).
Having no unified world body doesn't help with the overall murkiness of boxing narrative. |
I imagine also that "box office" consideration might prolong the count in a Usyk v Fury fight of two equals, whatever the state of play. |  | | |
| Huni's count on 17:54 - Jun 8 with 405 views | Chris_ITFC |
There was no protest from Huni when it got called.
That tells you he either:
a) Agreed, and knew he couldn’t continue.
or
b) Couldn’t show his disagreement, because he was so out of it.
Either way, right call.
Both ways, his legs were gone and he was nowhere near ready for the 10.
The appeal is just classic boxing BS trying to get another lucrative rematch (by the standards of his career to date). |  |
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| Huni's count on 17:57 - Jun 8 with 394 views | mellowblue |
| Huni's count on 15:55 - Jun 8 by NthQldITFC |
So it's an arbitrary ten count then, or what the ref feels might be right, in which case IF it was less than ten last night, maybe the ref sort of felt that was OK, so who's to argue?
^ bit of a silly sentence, but the point is if it's not an absolute 10 seconds (or as close as can be done by combination of timekeeper and ref) then no-one can really moan if the count looks like an 8 count, Shirley? |
pedantry a thing with you? A standing eight count in boxing is when a ref has to give an eight count if say a boxer is knocked down and bounces back up. A period of time for evaluation. That tends to be counted in seconds. 8 of them and is fairly accurate. A ten count can vary, look at the WBA rules on the this page if you are uncertain. [Post edited 8 Jun 18:00]
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| Huni's count on 21:23 - Jun 8 with 250 views | bazza |
| Huni's count on 00:02 - Jun 8 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You’ve just made up the “he clearly wasn’t ready to fight on” from your own bias though. Refs get blasted in boxing all the time. It’s ok to be happy our guy won and that it was waved off rather quickly. |
To be fair, your clip Shows it was 10 seconds from hitting the canvass to getting back up, and still looked unsteady.. |  | | |
| Huni's count on 22:11 - Jun 8 with 196 views | Keno |
| Huni's count on 21:23 - Jun 8 by bazza |
To be fair, your clip Shows it was 10 seconds from hitting the canvass to getting back up, and still looked unsteady.. |
This should clear it up
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