| Should international football have 5 subs 00:02 - Jun 8 with 1005 views | RIPbobby |
Since the last euro championship international football has died a death. Every weaker nation when up against a big nation play exactly the same way. Run their socks off and last as long as they can. All of englands opponents in the group stages did that and stifled us. When they get knackered bring on 5 replacements. All the matches we have played since have been the same. Absolute drivel. Not worth watching. The only good games are when the big boys go up against each other and when the baltics play each other.
UEFA nd FIFA need to tweak the rules so games don't die a death. 48 teams at the next world cup might lead to a whole load of dull, stifling tactics with the greater number of no hopers qualifying. |  | | |  |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 00:07 - Jun 8 with 974 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
No chance.
We cant blame a pathetic performance against Andorra on their ability for them to bring on 5 subs who ply their trade in Europes lower leagues.
We could bring on 5 'elite' subs of our own to counter that. Lobbying the authorities because we cant convincingly beat Andorra would be embarrassing.
To be honest, Kane is now playin the way Rooney did in his latter years.... coming deep and completely ruining the game. [Post edited 8 Jun 0:08]
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| Should international football have 5 subs on 00:12 - Jun 8 with 937 views | RIPbobby |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 00:07 - Jun 8 by Marshalls_Mullet |
No chance.
We cant blame a pathetic performance against Andorra on their ability for them to bring on 5 subs who ply their trade in Europes lower leagues.
We could bring on 5 'elite' subs of our own to counter that. Lobbying the authorities because we cant convincingly beat Andorra would be embarrassing.
To be honest, Kane is now playin the way Rooney did in his latter years.... coming deep and completely ruining the game. [Post edited 8 Jun 0:08]
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I'm more worried about Bellingham. He looks a shadow of his former self.
Yeah I respect your opinion. It is just so dull watching the anti football tactics. In fairness we won't be winning much with Henderson in the middle of the park at his age. If he does inspire the team and his teammates he should be back in training capacity, not playing. | | | |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 00:15 - Jun 8 with 927 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 00:12 - Jun 8 by RIPbobby |
I'm more worried about Bellingham. He looks a shadow of his former self.
Yeah I respect your opinion. It is just so dull watching the anti football tactics. In fairness we won't be winning much with Henderson in the middle of the park at his age. If he does inspire the team and his teammates he should be back in training capacity, not playing. |
It was dull, but the emphasis is on us to not be so awful.
Bellingham is OK for a star studded Madrid team, I still believe hes more of an 8 than a 10. | |
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| Should international football have 5 subs on 07:23 - Jun 8 with 698 views | franz_tyson |
OP has a point. Why even bother watching this cr@p? Just 90 minutes of two mis-matched sides where one side wants to do just enough to win easily and not get injured and the other side wants to avoid getting humiliated. And we're likely to have more of these games with 48 team Final competitions. It's obviously being set up to maximise the number of games for TV revenue and to ensure the big nations are always there. Yet FIFA and UEFA will tell us it's to promote the game globally and to encourage the growth of smaller nations. It's just diluting the sport and its just greed. And its f#cking terrible to watch. |  | | |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 08:39 - Jun 8 with 596 views | BrandonsBlues |
48 teams at the next world cup might lead to a whole load of dull, stifling tactics with the greater number of no hopers qualifying.
Agree, so I will start to watch it at the knockout stage and ignore the group stages. | | | |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 09:00 - Jun 8 with 555 views | Radlett_blue |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 00:07 - Jun 8 by Marshalls_Mullet |
No chance.
We cant blame a pathetic performance against Andorra on their ability for them to bring on 5 subs who ply their trade in Europes lower leagues.
We could bring on 5 'elite' subs of our own to counter that. Lobbying the authorities because we cant convincingly beat Andorra would be embarrassing.
To be honest, Kane is now playin the way Rooney did in his latter years.... coming deep and completely ruining the game. [Post edited 8 Jun 0:08]
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Not surprised that England weren't that motivated playing a game at the end of a long season on a muggy evening against no-hopers. Yes, it's a World Cup qualifier but England were always going to win. |  |
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| Should international football have 5 subs on 09:33 - Jun 8 with 504 views | Mark |
We need to have qualifiers, but the focus on these is diluted due to all the unnecessary new competitions such as the Nations' League, Club World Cup and pre-season tournaments all designed to make as much money as possible. There is no proper break any more.
I think 5 subs per team is too many in any competition, that's 10 subs per match altogether! |  | | |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 09:39 - Jun 8 with 501 views | Radlett_blue |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 09:33 - Jun 8 by Mark |
We need to have qualifiers, but the focus on these is diluted due to all the unnecessary new competitions such as the Nations' League, Club World Cup and pre-season tournaments all designed to make as much money as possible. There is no proper break any more.
I think 5 subs per team is too many in any competition, that's 10 subs per match altogether! |
Agree about subs, I think it should be a maximum of 3, with 2 more allowed if a game goes to extra time. More goals used to be scored in the last quarter of a game as players became tired, but this doesn't happen so often these days, although the stats are distorted by the regular addition of 5-10 minutes to the second half. | |
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| Should international football have 5 subs on 09:44 - Jun 8 with 497 views | RIPbobby |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 09:33 - Jun 8 by Mark |
We need to have qualifiers, but the focus on these is diluted due to all the unnecessary new competitions such as the Nations' League, Club World Cup and pre-season tournaments all designed to make as much money as possible. There is no proper break any more.
I think 5 subs per team is too many in any competition, that's 10 subs per match altogether! |
That was kind of the point I was making. If you have a fit workmanlike team it is very easy to bring on 5 also fit blockers on the hour mark and completely nullify the quality of opposition's classy players. That is what all the naff teams are doing now. It is awful.
In fact I'd go as far to say that the league of nations is a better spectacle now than the euros and world cup as you get similarly graded teams going up against each other hone and away. Especially when they play their best 11s. | | | |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 09:49 - Jun 8 with 489 views | Radlett_blue |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 09:44 - Jun 8 by RIPbobby |
That was kind of the point I was making. If you have a fit workmanlike team it is very easy to bring on 5 also fit blockers on the hour mark and completely nullify the quality of opposition's classy players. That is what all the naff teams are doing now. It is awful.
In fact I'd go as far to say that the league of nations is a better spectacle now than the euros and world cup as you get similarly graded teams going up against each other hone and away. Especially when they play their best 11s. |
Yes, this is another argument against the expansion of tournament "finals" as there are now a huge number of fairly poor teams who spend a game putting 11 men behind the ball. Hence, I very rarely watch any group games. | |
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| Should international football have 5 subs on 10:03 - Jun 8 with 478 views | SomethingBlue |
I think you can change that simply to "should football have five subs". The last half hour of so many games is a total write-off. | |
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| Should international football have 5 subs on 10:10 - Jun 8 with 467 views | RIPbobby |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 09:39 - Jun 8 by Radlett_blue |
Agree about subs, I think it should be a maximum of 3, with 2 more allowed if a game goes to extra time. More goals used to be scored in the last quarter of a game as players became tired, but this doesn't happen so often these days, although the stats are distorted by the regular addition of 5-10 minutes to the second half. |
For me that would be a sensible thing to do. It would stop the non football revolution. I was saying this in the euro champs and people were shooting me down saying England just played naff. People are now starting to see what is really happening. And in my eyes it's the non football revolution.
It annoys me that they never try new rules and tweaks in the league cup | | | |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 10:17 - Jun 8 with 433 views | cvillageblue |
And while they're changing the rules why not make the prem have 16 teams? And the FA cup let's make sure the big clubs don't play vs the small clubs.
Didn't watch England but I can imagine it was as one sided as some of our games this year. I did go to the Wales game the fact that wales didn't score in the final 25 mins or so was due to a combination of Wales not really going for it and some very poor finishing/ decision making on our behalf. | |
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| Should international football have 5 subs on 10:40 - Jun 8 with 381 views | Radlett_blue |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 10:17 - Jun 8 by cvillageblue |
And while they're changing the rules why not make the prem have 16 teams? And the FA cup let's make sure the big clubs don't play vs the small clubs.
Didn't watch England but I can imagine it was as one sided as some of our games this year. I did go to the Wales game the fact that wales didn't score in the final 25 mins or so was due to a combination of Wales not really going for it and some very poor finishing/ decision making on our behalf. |
When the Premier League was formed, it committed to go to 18 teams within a few years, supposedly to help the England team, but that was conveniently ignored.
Not much point in reducing a league when so many other competitions come up to fill the space, or clubs go off on marketing jollies to Asia or America. | |
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| Should international football have 5 subs on 10:44 - Jun 8 with 376 views | RIPbobby |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 10:17 - Jun 8 by cvillageblue |
And while they're changing the rules why not make the prem have 16 teams? And the FA cup let's make sure the big clubs don't play vs the small clubs.
Didn't watch England but I can imagine it was as one sided as some of our games this year. I did go to the Wales game the fact that wales didn't score in the final 25 mins or so was due to a combination of Wales not really going for it and some very poor finishing/ decision making on our behalf. |
Some others argue for a smaller prem. I'm not sure seeding the fa cup would work. Mind you the smaller clubs would love it as they would get a good pay day.
Seems like you don't agree with what I have said. I challenge you to rewatch the last euro champs England games and all subsequent games against weaker nations and see if you still feel the same.
Start with Serbia 0 England 1. Serbia mastered their tactics so we'll that Denmark and then slovenia did the same and England clawed their way out of the group. Slovakia in the ro16 game did likewise and almost pulled it off. Switzerland did likewise in the quarters. For the semi especially watch the first half. Holland had a go at us in the first half and England tore them to shreds and should have scored 4 or 5. In the second half Holland reverted back to all the other teams tactics and they almost beat a far superior team. Then for the final watch England turn the tables on Spain and employ a watered down version of what all the other teams had done to them. But our ego centric players didn't stick to the plan and got found out in the second half against a superior team.
I hope you do what I say above. But let's be honest you won't. Football is fun sometimes. 2 people can watch the same game and see something completely different. | | | |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 10:54 - Jun 8 with 363 views | franz_tyson |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 10:17 - Jun 8 by cvillageblue |
And while they're changing the rules why not make the prem have 16 teams? And the FA cup let's make sure the big clubs don't play vs the small clubs.
Didn't watch England but I can imagine it was as one sided as some of our games this year. I did go to the Wales game the fact that wales didn't score in the final 25 mins or so was due to a combination of Wales not really going for it and some very poor finishing/ decision making on our behalf. |
The FA Cup is different. It starts months before where minnows play each other to earn the right to get to the next stage and it could lead to a big financial earner from the Third round onwards. There's a fairytale story based on meritocracy based on a tiny club getting a PL side after going so many rounds to get there. As opposed to a side like Andorra or Gibraltar or Lichtenstein just getting picked out of a hat so they can provide more fixtures so there can be more TV revenue made. It's simple - there should be a competition for minnow nations to earn the right to play top nations. So many of these games are pointless. | | | |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 11:07 - Jun 8 with 349 views | cvillageblue |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 10:44 - Jun 8 by RIPbobby |
Some others argue for a smaller prem. I'm not sure seeding the fa cup would work. Mind you the smaller clubs would love it as they would get a good pay day.
Seems like you don't agree with what I have said. I challenge you to rewatch the last euro champs England games and all subsequent games against weaker nations and see if you still feel the same.
Start with Serbia 0 England 1. Serbia mastered their tactics so we'll that Denmark and then slovenia did the same and England clawed their way out of the group. Slovakia in the ro16 game did likewise and almost pulled it off. Switzerland did likewise in the quarters. For the semi especially watch the first half. Holland had a go at us in the first half and England tore them to shreds and should have scored 4 or 5. In the second half Holland reverted back to all the other teams tactics and they almost beat a far superior team. Then for the final watch England turn the tables on Spain and employ a watered down version of what all the other teams had done to them. But our ego centric players didn't stick to the plan and got found out in the second half against a superior team.
I hope you do what I say above. But let's be honest you won't. Football is fun sometimes. 2 people can watch the same game and see something completely different. |
You are correct I won't watch the games!!
I get your point but that's football. My main point was that making 2 extra subs isn't responsible for the bore fests.
I told my son on Friday 'I get why England fans see international don't enjoy international football as they're either winning boring games or complaining about not winning the whole tournament'.
Personally I enjoyed Friday. Caught up with a few friends and was relaxed in the game and actually saw my side win - Wales have won more games than Ipswich in 2025!! | |
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| Should international football have 5 subs on 12:45 - Jun 8 with 283 views | RIPbobby |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 11:07 - Jun 8 by cvillageblue |
You are correct I won't watch the games!!
I get your point but that's football. My main point was that making 2 extra subs isn't responsible for the bore fests.
I told my son on Friday 'I get why England fans see international don't enjoy international football as they're either winning boring games or complaining about not winning the whole tournament'.
Personally I enjoyed Friday. Caught up with a few friends and was relaxed in the game and actually saw my side win - Wales have won more games than Ipswich in 2025!! |
Right now, teams have the ability to completely refresh their midfield—let's say four players for argument's sake—as well as a defender around the 60-minute mark. This allows them to bring on fresh legs who can maintain a low block or any other negative tactic with full energy. In contrast, with only two or three substitutions allowed, I believe higher-quality players would be better equipped to break down such tactics over the course of the match.
An alternative solution might be to allow a limited number of tactical substitutions—say two—and an additional two substitutions specifically for injuries. Injury subs would only be permitted for serious injuries. Of course, there’s the risk of teams exploiting this by faking injuries. To counter that, perhaps any player substituted due to injury should be automatically ruled out of the next match.
Admittedly, I’m thinking out loud here, but I do feel that the game is at risk. With so many matches easily available online for free, the appeal of attending live games could diminish, which threatens the sport’s long-term health. | | | |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 13:28 - Jun 8 with 245 views | Mark |
| Should international football have 5 subs on 08:39 - Jun 8 by BrandonsBlues |
48 teams at the next world cup might lead to a whole load of dull, stifling tactics with the greater number of no hopers qualifying.
Agree, so I will start to watch it at the knockout stage and ignore the group stages. |
48 is far too many. Double the teams in the 80s and 90s! | | | |
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