| Starmer’s judgement 21:20 - Jun 23 with 1783 views | Churchman |
There’s an interesting article in the Independent on Starmer continually getting it wrong with Trump. Specifically on Iran, Ukraine, Tariffs.
Is it correct? Does Starmer lack judgement? Is he just getting caught out sitting on the fence? Or is the orange shtgibbon completely unreadable and everyone bar Putin and Netanyahu getting it wrong too?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-trump-middle-east-crisis- [Post edited 23 Jun 22:48]
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| Starmer’s judgement on 11:19 - Jun 24 with 300 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer’s judgement on 11:08 - Jun 24 by jasondozzell |
Just can't agree on that, sorry.
He's made blunder after blunder again through having no principles.
We've become a vassal state to the US because of a very tired idea of a pecial relationship that must be adhered to. That may have been fine at the end of the 20th Century but we're in a different world. Pragmatism only works if you're getting something out of it.
He's materially supported a genocide. It is shocking.
Labour this week couldn't even answer the question of whether they thought the US bombing of Iran was legal or not. [Post edited 24 Jun 11:09]
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"Labour this week couldn't even answer the question of whether they thought the US bombing of Iran was legal or not."
Couldn't or wouldn't?
I don;t blame them for steering clear - what benefit would there be to saying, yes its illegal? |  |
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| Starmer’s judgement on 11:32 - Jun 24 with 271 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer’s judgement on 11:19 - Jun 24 by giant_stow |
"Labour this week couldn't even answer the question of whether they thought the US bombing of Iran was legal or not."
Couldn't or wouldn't?
I don;t blame them for steering clear - what benefit would there be to saying, yes its illegal? |
If you can't decide if it's right or wrong, how can you know whether you support it?
They said Russia's acts of aggression in Ukraine violated international law. |  | | |
| Starmer’s judgement on 11:35 - Jun 24 with 256 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer’s judgement on 11:32 - Jun 24 by jasondozzell |
If you can't decide if it's right or wrong, how can you know whether you support it?
They said Russia's acts of aggression in Ukraine violated international law. |
You don't decide on if you support it - that's the point. You keep things ambiguous, as there's only downside to expressing an opinion. | |
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| Starmer’s judgement on 11:42 - Jun 24 with 238 views | Blueschev |
| Starmer’s judgement on 11:35 - Jun 24 by giant_stow |
You don't decide on if you support it - that's the point. You keep things ambiguous, as there's only downside to expressing an opinion. |
To be fair, ambiguity was the election strategy that gave Labour a huge majority. No need to set the agenda, that's what Nigel Farage is for. |  | | |
| Starmer’s judgement on 11:56 - Jun 24 with 213 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer’s judgement on 11:35 - Jun 24 by giant_stow |
You don't decide on if you support it - that's the point. You keep things ambiguous, as there's only downside to expressing an opinion. |
You don't decide if you support it?! These are huge geopolitical events. You have to have a position. We didn't struggle to have one on Russia and Ukraine. | | | |
| Starmer’s judgement on 11:57 - Jun 24 with 208 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer’s judgement on 11:42 - Jun 24 by Blueschev |
To be fair, ambiguity was the election strategy that gave Labour a huge majority. No need to set the agenda, that's what Nigel Farage is for. |
Self same ambiguity that will bury them.
If you don't believe in anything, then how do you know what to do? | | | |
| Starmer’s judgement on 12:33 - Jun 24 with 179 views | EuanTown |
I have to say that I think it is very difficult for anyone to understand what the orange fool will do at any given time, bearing in mind that he changes his mind as soon as he opens his mouth.
You can imagine a change mid thought in any conversation. Trump starts to head down one route and then U turns mid sentence.
That is the way Trump is controlling every situation since being in power. If nobody knows what you will do next how can you plan for every outcome. |  | | |
| Starmer’s judgemen on 13:28 - Jun 24 with 142 views | J2BLUE |
| Starmer’s judgemen on 03:47 - Jun 24 by Benters |
Did he ? He looked pretty unsettled to me. |
Vance looked rattled. Twice in two days he tried to attack Starmer and then Zelensky then when he was easily countered both times he said we can talk about it later. He didn't want to debate them in front of the cameras. Vance knows his limitations and Starmer would destroy him one on one. |  |
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| Starmer’s judgement on 14:07 - Jun 24 with 115 views | Guthrum |
| Starmer’s judgement on 11:56 - Jun 24 by jasondozzell |
You don't decide if you support it?! These are huge geopolitical events. You have to have a position. We didn't struggle to have one on Russia and Ukraine. |
Taking that position on Ukraine didn't result in a barrage of tariffs or half our weapons and intelligence-gathering systems no longer functioning.
In any case, the UK is not sorry to see Iran's nuclear programme degraded, it's also one of our own foreign policy aims. |  |
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| Starmer’s judgement on 14:12 - Jun 24 with 104 views | Guthrum |
| Starmer’s judgement on 11:08 - Jun 24 by jasondozzell |
Just can't agree on that, sorry.
He's made blunder after blunder again through having no principles.
We've become a vassal state to the US because of a very tired idea of a pecial relationship that must be adhered to. That may have been fine at the end of the 20th Century but we're in a different world. Pragmatism only works if you're getting something out of it.
He's materially supported a genocide. It is shocking.
Labour this week couldn't even answer the question of whether they thought the US bombing of Iran was legal or not. [Post edited 24 Jun 11:09]
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The "Special Relationship" can't be discarded overnight. Our defence and intelligence setups are too intertwined. On that level, we do get a fair bit out of it. Plus they are a major trading partner and source of investment. | |
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