| Cricket Day 5 then on 09:23 - Aug 5 with 203 views | chantryblueboy |
| Cricket Day 5 then on 08:33 - Aug 5 by Ryorry |
Are you silent at PR?
Seems a strange take for a sports fan to be annoyed at other fans’ passionate support for their team. |
I went to day 5 at Lord’s and they were screaming like little girls every time Bumrah played a forward defensive. They are irritating |  | |  |
| Cricket Day 5 then on 13:00 - Aug 5 with 118 views | stonojnr |
| Cricket Day 5 then on 14:36 - Aug 4 by Herbivore |
I would argue that this style of cricket is what gives us the chance to win big series, personally. I can't imagine even our best sides under Vaughan getting close to chasing 374 to win on a wicket like that with only 10 men able to bat, and they had better players available to call on, imo. Brook's approach got us close to victory, it's not his fault we didn't get there. Bethell looked lost and Smith looked terrified, it shouldn't have been asking too much for one of them to hit 20 runs and see us home with the tail. Root's dismissal was worse than Brook's too, imo. At least Brook got out playing the way that got him to a big score, Root wafted at one meekly. You can get out playing bad shots to decent balls whether you're being aggressive or not. |
The point people miss about Bazball criticism is that its not you must only play one way or anothrr in a match, the smarter cricketing teams adapt to the situation.
So for sure Root and Brook can play as expensively as they like, score lots of runs, be entertaining, great that's what we like.but if the game situation changes and wickets will always fall in a game like this you adapt you recognise the game needs a different approach and getting 35 in six 6s is not the approach to carry on with.
Then its just taking the ones, putting the bad balls away, we've got time in the game still stop swinging and missing at balls that are nowhere near your stumps.
That's where bazball fails because the players are coached to score as many boundaries in an over, the idea being it puts pressure on the bowler and they ignore the bigger picture. Consequently we lose games we ought to have won, equally win games we sometimes were losing for sure.
But its like the Town when plan A doesn't work, let's use plan B we might find being adaptable works | | | |
| Cricket Day 5 then on 14:11 - Aug 5 with 86 views | Herbivore |
| Cricket Day 5 then on 13:00 - Aug 5 by stonojnr |
The point people miss about Bazball criticism is that its not you must only play one way or anothrr in a match, the smarter cricketing teams adapt to the situation.
So for sure Root and Brook can play as expensively as they like, score lots of runs, be entertaining, great that's what we like.but if the game situation changes and wickets will always fall in a game like this you adapt you recognise the game needs a different approach and getting 35 in six 6s is not the approach to carry on with.
Then its just taking the ones, putting the bad balls away, we've got time in the game still stop swinging and missing at balls that are nowhere near your stumps.
That's where bazball fails because the players are coached to score as many boundaries in an over, the idea being it puts pressure on the bowler and they ignore the bigger picture. Consequently we lose games we ought to have won, equally win games we sometimes were losing for sure.
But its like the Town when plan A doesn't work, let's use plan B we might find being adaptable works |
Not sure I agree. It was the aggression that got us to a point where our second highest ever run chase was in touching distance. We failed if anything because we stopped playing that way and got becalmed. Bethell looked nervous and couldn't get the ball away, that spread to Root, and from there we were stuffed apart from a decent cameo from Atkinson, who did go down swinging. If Bethell and Smith had done the same, we'd have got over the line.
It's well and good saying elite teams need to have plans b and c but it's not as straightforward as that. They are coached intensively to play a particular way, as are all elite teams. They pick players that suit a particular way of playing. You can try coaching them to play multiple ways but when your opponents are focusing on playing to their strengths, trying to be a jack of all trades isn't usually going to end well for you. And asking players to rein in their natural game and play a very different way often doesn't end well either. |  |
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| Cricket Day 5 then on 14:18 - Aug 5 with 68 views | Gogs |
| Cricket Day 5 then on 14:11 - Aug 5 by Herbivore |
Not sure I agree. It was the aggression that got us to a point where our second highest ever run chase was in touching distance. We failed if anything because we stopped playing that way and got becalmed. Bethell looked nervous and couldn't get the ball away, that spread to Root, and from there we were stuffed apart from a decent cameo from Atkinson, who did go down swinging. If Bethell and Smith had done the same, we'd have got over the line.
It's well and good saying elite teams need to have plans b and c but it's not as straightforward as that. They are coached intensively to play a particular way, as are all elite teams. They pick players that suit a particular way of playing. You can try coaching them to play multiple ways but when your opponents are focusing on playing to their strengths, trying to be a jack of all trades isn't usually going to end well for you. And asking players to rein in their natural game and play a very different way often doesn't end well either. |
Agree it was only the aggressive batting which got us close at the oval. The reason we lost was, in my opinion, far too many shelled catches in India’s second innings. We’d otherwise have been looking at a target of around 250, which I reckon we’d have got comfortably enough |  | | |
| Cricket Day 5 then on 14:21 - Aug 5 with 54 views | Herbivore |
| Cricket Day 5 then on 14:18 - Aug 5 by Gogs |
Agree it was only the aggressive batting which got us close at the oval. The reason we lost was, in my opinion, far too many shelled catches in India’s second innings. We’d otherwise have been looking at a target of around 250, which I reckon we’d have got comfortably enough |
Yes, people forget that we dropped 6 catches in that second innings, including Jaiswal (twice?) who went on to get a big score. We also sprayed the ball around in our first innings when conditions were at their best for the bowlers, it was the sort of day where we should have had them skittled for 150. Seems churlish to blame Brook when he knocked off a century in an improbable chase before holing out playing the way he'd played to get that ton in the first place. | |
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| Cricket Day 5 then on 14:32 - Aug 5 with 46 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket Day 5 then on 15:36 - Aug 4 by Reuser_is_God |
On to the Ashes then.
That batting unit is in a good place, hopefully we get no injuries between now & then to those 7 in possession.
Bowling is a concern fitness wise, however I think there is enough quality there if we can get Archer, Wood, Tongue, Atkinson, Carse & Woakes fit enough to rotate them across the 5 tests.
Spinner is what concerns me, I think whoever we pick will get tonked. I think I’d go Dawson purely for the all round ability. |
Dawson won't get anyone out, but he'll be a better bet than Bashir to keep an end quiet, as the Aussies would attack Bashir mercilessly and, as you say, Dawson will score a few runs. I'd say he is a better fielder, but he shelled a sitter on Friday evening.
Even if fully fit, no way should Woakes be in the Ashes squad. English style 80mph seamers like him usually get nowhere in Oz as the ball does very little after the first 20 overs. |  |
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| Cricket Day 5 then on 14:36 - Aug 5 with 40 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket Day 5 then on 14:36 - Aug 4 by Herbivore |
I would argue that this style of cricket is what gives us the chance to win big series, personally. I can't imagine even our best sides under Vaughan getting close to chasing 374 to win on a wicket like that with only 10 men able to bat, and they had better players available to call on, imo. Brook's approach got us close to victory, it's not his fault we didn't get there. Bethell looked lost and Smith looked terrified, it shouldn't have been asking too much for one of them to hit 20 runs and see us home with the tail. Root's dismissal was worse than Brook's too, imo. At least Brook got out playing the way that got him to a big score, Root wafted at one meekly. You can get out playing bad shots to decent balls whether you're being aggressive or not. |
I think Root realised that the scoring had dried up completely after Bethell came in & couldn't even push a single so he felt the need to keep the scoreboard moving. Brook had become over confident so he played a wild slog when it wasn't needed. However, the Bazball mantra is for players to play their natural game without fear & as others have said, without this mentality we wouldn't have got near this target. | |
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| Cricket Day 5 then on 14:38 - Aug 5 with 37 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket Day 5 then on 08:48 - Aug 5 by Reuser_is_God |
There’s passionate support & then there is grown men screaming over Shubman Gill getting a single. |
What was far more annoying on the Friday evening session was the Barmy Army & its mindless chanting, fooling around making beer snakes, throwing a cheeseboard around & generally trying to provoke the stewards into action, while paying next to no attention to the cricket. I'll have to buy some more expensive tickets if I go to The Oval next year. | |
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