| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing 09:43 - Aug 6 with 2620 views | skankerman |
I guess we don’t understand many of the challenges behind the scenes in trying to get a transfer of a decent player over the line.
In my job I recruit a fair bit and it is challenging to say the least if you want to get a decent candidate, until they have worked their notice period and actually start in the business many things can happen and the applicants changes their mind.
I am sure Mark Ashton finds it even more challenging with complex contracts and agents involved.
One thing is for sure MA / KM want the best for the club, if it was just to fill a position with a weak player they could sign me!!!
Patience is key and I can remember some of the dross we signed in the ME days.
Keep the faith and let’s have a great season |  | | |  |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 14:17 - Aug 6 with 391 views | darkhorse28 |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 11:06 - Aug 6 by Nutkins_Return |
It really was! Absolutely no evidence backing any of it up and a lot of it you could point to evidence to the contrary. Ashton has absolutely hired very qualified people consistently from higher levels to take on roles to move the club forward and take him out of operations himself.
The fact that he stepped up when first onboard to plug gaps himself does not make him a control freak or anything. That's leading from the front and he has increasingly taken more of a back seat albeit remained the main voice for the organisation.
It's almost hilarious that we have a few complicated transfers which leads to that whole mess of an analysis. |
The evidence.
Our owners have put 52% of the club up for sale.
We just had the worst season in our entire history (relative to the league we are in) we’ve never scored so few points, ever.
Our manager is in champions league wages.
We literally just sold our best 5 players, and all the young talent Mark said we’d build a future around…, all of them. And we still have significant amortisation that will linger for maybe 3 more years.
That’s all measurable, facts, nobodies conjecture.
How much evidence would it take relative to your emotional investment in people who aren’t good enough?
Does Mark have to be worse than Clegg to qualify as not elite?
Because I’m not sure that’s a good benchmark.
How does he compare to Brentford? Brighton? Bournemouth? Wolves? .., these aren’t big legacy clubs.
Even Delap want a top target.., although I would agree some of the league one recruitment was very good.., it’s just that Cook brought in Walton, Chaplin and Morsy - all brilliant.
Broadhead. Hutchinson very good - all our recruitment last summer was very poor with none of them measuring up that will be retained.
We know Jack Clarke could be brilliant this season.., but won’t ever play in the prem consistantly and you can’t develop EPL talent in the EFL anymore, that’s the reality.
Agree with Chris Wilder ‘the premier league level is twice as good as 5 years ago.., the championship is actually lower quality over the same period’
It’s not possible for OShea and Clarke and Greaves to improve massively playing at this level.., that’s the new reality.
It’s why even Sommerville hasn’t stepped up, and nobody has in years now.
Sorry but 35 years for Mark is long enough.
If the owners didn’t want continuity for a dale, he’d already be gone.
Good at this level, but if we want to grow, not good enough. | | | |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 14:31 - Aug 6 with 362 views | darkhorse28 |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 11:09 - Aug 6 by dirtyboy |
Total utter guff.
I get what you're saying about him getting people in to do what he's not good at, but there's an awful lot of change that has needed 'managing' and he's done exceptionally well in a short space of time.
For clarity, I cannot stand the spiel he comes out with at times, but I get the circles he operates in that tend to like it.
In his tenure t/o has gone from what? £17 to £22m in L1, then to £37m in the Championship, god knows what for the PL year.
* We've had concerts and boxing
* New pitch
* Training ground pitches and adjustments
* Planning for a new Training complex
* Cat 1 achieved
* Mental amount of works carried out at stadium prior to PL season starting,
* Football staff from 102 to 160
* Other staff from 65 to 135
( I think we can safely say people are being in to do jobs - will take time to improve those - knowing their capabilities, just like the players)
* 2 promotions
You might look for fault, but I look for achievement.
The positives of what's been achieved at this club, and things still look positive, are far in excess of the perceived failings of transfer windows.
Rome wasn't built in a day and transfers of players are probably the most complex of all deals any club makes.
Delap was a decent profit in a year.
We might make £20m on Omari and not be significantly weaker across the front 3 that started the last Championship season.
If we sell Broadhead for the reported £7m, then that again is pretty impressive should it happen.
I think he's clearly demonstrated that he can make strides, he'll also be learning every day, like all of us. His year in the PL will also have helped, like the players too. |
I don’t disagree with almost all of that…, I just don’t see anything you listed as a metric for an elite club.
Brighton, Bournemouth, etc etc they only measure one thing…, results in the pitch.
As for revenue, then last season was so poor, we have lost £150 million PA and have maybe £15 million PA of liabilities a year still to service.
Football is weird. If we go up, £150 million covers a lot of sins, and ok, the results say everything, can’t argue.
If we don’t. We are worse off than when we were promoted at the end of parachute money.., down to £5 million in TV money, and still servicing legacy debt from last summers spending.
That’s a disaster, and that’s why we are being sold, that really will be worse than the Evans years financially.
This is not a league for legacy debt, even from a compliance view, when wages are over 100% revenue.
Delap, agree, but he wasn’t a top target for us, we spent all summer offering more money for the Greek forward, so he wasn’t high on our list, and that’s why we sold him so far below market value.., that’s a lack of ID talent and a big consequence.
Agree on Hutchinson, great business, but these players we were supposed to build a future around.
They were going to make the club £150-200 million PA!!!
Like it does for Brentford, Forest etc
Look at Forest.
Two seconds ago Mick let them win to stay in the championship.
They just nearly made champions league and they’re in Europe, and we spent the slightly more than them too.
I know it’s fine margins, but that’s why small % in ability REALLY matters.
Forest brought in Edu in the same time you’re suggesting, more staff to answer the phones, a lock of paint to the ground, and extra camera positions, qualify as progress and elite.
Forest did all that too.
AND brought in world class recruitment teams and seam the fecking channel.
Honestly.., you’re entire list, that’s the basic day job, it’s such a low bar, and such a defeatist mentality.
That’s the bread and butter, the things other clubs do that mark cant.
That’s what makes clubs succesful and elite.
That’s why they are in Europe and we play Wrexham, that’s the truth.
Brentford, Brighton, Wolves, Forest, Palace, it’s not on the pitch where there’s the biggest gap, it’s off the pitch.
The Greek owner.., I can spend 10 years organically growing, or I can buy some of the best in the world to do those roles.
And they didn’t spend a penny more than we spent to buy EFL potential, that if it doesn’t work out, we have to sell immediately.
Sorry.
That’s not elite .., if he’s doing any of the jobs you listed, that’s 100% why we did so badly.
None of them should be anywhere near his remit!!
We aren’t measured in how well the boxing and concerts went, however much we made, it’s not worth up to £200 million a year like elite football is.
Our mindset is SO wrong.
SO small…, such a low bar, so accepting of failure for ‘little Ipswich’
It breaks my heart the complete lack of ambition.
In that context, you and a rump on here 200% have the right man. | | | |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 15:11 - Aug 6 with 324 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 14:31 - Aug 6 by darkhorse28 |
I don’t disagree with almost all of that…, I just don’t see anything you listed as a metric for an elite club.
Brighton, Bournemouth, etc etc they only measure one thing…, results in the pitch.
As for revenue, then last season was so poor, we have lost £150 million PA and have maybe £15 million PA of liabilities a year still to service.
Football is weird. If we go up, £150 million covers a lot of sins, and ok, the results say everything, can’t argue.
If we don’t. We are worse off than when we were promoted at the end of parachute money.., down to £5 million in TV money, and still servicing legacy debt from last summers spending.
That’s a disaster, and that’s why we are being sold, that really will be worse than the Evans years financially.
This is not a league for legacy debt, even from a compliance view, when wages are over 100% revenue.
Delap, agree, but he wasn’t a top target for us, we spent all summer offering more money for the Greek forward, so he wasn’t high on our list, and that’s why we sold him so far below market value.., that’s a lack of ID talent and a big consequence.
Agree on Hutchinson, great business, but these players we were supposed to build a future around.
They were going to make the club £150-200 million PA!!!
Like it does for Brentford, Forest etc
Look at Forest.
Two seconds ago Mick let them win to stay in the championship.
They just nearly made champions league and they’re in Europe, and we spent the slightly more than them too.
I know it’s fine margins, but that’s why small % in ability REALLY matters.
Forest brought in Edu in the same time you’re suggesting, more staff to answer the phones, a lock of paint to the ground, and extra camera positions, qualify as progress and elite.
Forest did all that too.
AND brought in world class recruitment teams and seam the fecking channel.
Honestly.., you’re entire list, that’s the basic day job, it’s such a low bar, and such a defeatist mentality.
That’s the bread and butter, the things other clubs do that mark cant.
That’s what makes clubs succesful and elite.
That’s why they are in Europe and we play Wrexham, that’s the truth.
Brentford, Brighton, Wolves, Forest, Palace, it’s not on the pitch where there’s the biggest gap, it’s off the pitch.
The Greek owner.., I can spend 10 years organically growing, or I can buy some of the best in the world to do those roles.
And they didn’t spend a penny more than we spent to buy EFL potential, that if it doesn’t work out, we have to sell immediately.
Sorry.
That’s not elite .., if he’s doing any of the jobs you listed, that’s 100% why we did so badly.
None of them should be anywhere near his remit!!
We aren’t measured in how well the boxing and concerts went, however much we made, it’s not worth up to £200 million a year like elite football is.
Our mindset is SO wrong.
SO small…, such a low bar, so accepting of failure for ‘little Ipswich’
It breaks my heart the complete lack of ambition.
In that context, you and a rump on here 200% have the right man. |
This is nothing but trolling at a level designed to incite a reaction. | | | |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 15:34 - Aug 6 with 296 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We need to expand the recruitment team I think, like yesterday. |  | | |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 15:42 - Aug 6 with 274 views | Stadiumofdark |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 15:34 - Aug 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We need to expand the recruitment team I think, like yesterday. |
I think we are struggling to recruit, for the recruitment team, so we're struggling to recruit... |  | | |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 16:43 - Aug 6 with 218 views | dirtyboy |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 15:11 - Aug 6 by SuffolkPunchFC |
This is nothing but trolling at a level designed to incite a reaction. |
I disagree actually, ordinarily I would avoid responding, but it's an emotive response which doesn't actually cite any figures, so it's easier to pick apart.
You mention Elite clubs a few times, then go on to suggest Brighton and Brentford only car about results. That's wrong for a start. The results are a by-product of all the things they've done that allowed the results to come. Ipswich won't be in a position like Brighton until and Brentford until they've developed the world class scouting and data analytics that prop those clubs up and are prime examples of clubs that have innovated to get an advantage, rather than rely on being say a top 6 club to attract talent.
Like building a PL team, that's not a 2 season job.
We've not lost £150m and you know that. The expenditure has been on assets. Don't get caught up in numbers looking terrifying when there's carefully thought out processes in place. We do not spend 'willy nilly' we can't afford to.
I can't begin to think how you do as there's literally nothing you can back up your statements with. We don't know who Brighton or Ipswich hired for their recruitment teams, how much they paid to compare etc. Given the relative success of Broadhead, Omari, Delap, Leif all being worth significantly more than paid for, i'd say the recruitment spend versus worth has shown that whatever we're doing has provided a positive return.
According to you, we're not Elite, which i'd agree with, but we're certainly not a failure like you say....how about growth? How about some middle ground accepting we've progressed?
The road to success is rarely linear and you seem to think every purchase should be perfect, that we should have overspent like Forest and took a risk on the future of the club. Again...easy to say with someone else's money, the Forest owner could do that, we can't do it with a f****g pension fund belonging to firefighters.
There's a lot between black and white my friend. |  | | |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 17:00 - Aug 6 with 184 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 16:43 - Aug 6 by dirtyboy |
I disagree actually, ordinarily I would avoid responding, but it's an emotive response which doesn't actually cite any figures, so it's easier to pick apart.
You mention Elite clubs a few times, then go on to suggest Brighton and Brentford only car about results. That's wrong for a start. The results are a by-product of all the things they've done that allowed the results to come. Ipswich won't be in a position like Brighton until and Brentford until they've developed the world class scouting and data analytics that prop those clubs up and are prime examples of clubs that have innovated to get an advantage, rather than rely on being say a top 6 club to attract talent.
Like building a PL team, that's not a 2 season job.
We've not lost £150m and you know that. The expenditure has been on assets. Don't get caught up in numbers looking terrifying when there's carefully thought out processes in place. We do not spend 'willy nilly' we can't afford to.
I can't begin to think how you do as there's literally nothing you can back up your statements with. We don't know who Brighton or Ipswich hired for their recruitment teams, how much they paid to compare etc. Given the relative success of Broadhead, Omari, Delap, Leif all being worth significantly more than paid for, i'd say the recruitment spend versus worth has shown that whatever we're doing has provided a positive return.
According to you, we're not Elite, which i'd agree with, but we're certainly not a failure like you say....how about growth? How about some middle ground accepting we've progressed?
The road to success is rarely linear and you seem to think every purchase should be perfect, that we should have overspent like Forest and took a risk on the future of the club. Again...easy to say with someone else's money, the Forest owner could do that, we can't do it with a f****g pension fund belonging to firefighters.
There's a lot between black and white my friend. |
is this a response to me, as you quoted my comment and your use of pronoun appears to address the reply to me? | | | |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 17:15 - Aug 6 with 137 views | dirtyboy |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 17:00 - Aug 6 by SuffolkPunchFC |
is this a response to me, as you quoted my comment and your use of pronoun appears to address the reply to me? |
Kind of, more me responding again to the OP, but saying to you that I think they're worth a response. | | | |
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| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 17:42 - Aug 6 with 90 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Mark Ashton appreciate the job he is doing on 17:15 - Aug 6 by dirtyboy |
Kind of, more me responding again to the OP, but saying to you that I think they're worth a response. |
OK - understood, thank you. Have you followed any of their other posts though. Some of this is repeating inaccuracies that they have already stated many times, despite being corrected and given independent references to verify that what they claim is substantially wrong.
I still say it's a(nother) troll post, but we can agree to disagree  | | | |
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