| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska 20:42 - Aug 15 with 4160 views | ElderGrizzly |
While on a red carpet 🙄
They then drive off like best buddies in Trump’s car.
I don’t remember Zelensky getting such a warm welcome [Post edited 15 Aug 20:43]
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| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 00:51 - Aug 17 with 130 views | Ryorry |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 19:53 - Aug 16 by mellowblue |
Err where have I mentioned surrender, you are painting a false narrative. A peace deal is not surrender. The insult bit was actually slightly tongue in cheek, it was a fair point you are making. Of course I can not speak for the brave Ukrainians, but I just do not see how it ends well for them. When wars reach a stalemate, it is a good time to look for solutions. They might not be achievable, but should still be tried. Maybe when the Western front was at complete stalemate during WWI, a negotiated deal then would have saved so much life. Historically we have negotiated peace treaties to bring wars to conclusions, rather than bludgeon it out to a finish. |
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“ Ukraine aren't winning this, which sadly leaves Putin the winner and this will have to be accepted.”
If that’s not surrender, what else would you call it? And don’t say “peace”, because it wouldn’t be that in anyone’s head except your own or that of a Putin apologist. |  |
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| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 07:34 - Aug 17 with 58 views | iamatractorboy |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 20:56 - Aug 16 by lowhouseblue |
but people can be honest and decent yet still hold political views that are different from yours. can't they? that's really basic to a civil society. if you don't accept that and you can only understand politics in terms of people who disagree with you being morally and intellectually inferior to you, then you will never persuade anyone of anything. it's a close minded and intolerant mindset.
how does your stance differ from someone you disagree with thinking that they are intellectually morally superior to you? don't you see what a dead end that approach to politics is? |
Perhaps you missed my earlier posts above in the thread. I said it's possible for good people to hold different political views to my own. You have reframed my argument to make it sound absolute - I've not said ANY AND ALL views different to my own is immoral. What I am trying to convey is that there is a line, beyond which no decent person could support a political ideology or candidate. In my view, Trump crossed over that line long ago and anyone still supporting him (voting for him in 2016 was forgiveable for the uninformed, although I personally wouldn't have gone anywhere near him) is making a morally reprehensible choice. Ergo they are a bad person. It's as simple as that. |  | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 08:05 - Aug 17 with 15 views | iamatractorboy |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 18:02 - Aug 16 by Coastalblue |
I think it's much deeper than this, and not just in the States but they are ahead of the curve.
Look at Japanese culture ahead of the second world war, the indoctrination in country and honour, the unified belief that they needed to fight to the very last person standing.
We've gone through a similar thing in the West, except we're being constantly drip fed misinformation by the elite, the people with money.
Divide and conquer, blame immigrants or the working classes or the middle classes or people not like you, go fight them while we slowly but surely add to our portfolios and mop up the rest of the world.
It's easy to mock Americans who voted Trump, want to MAGA, know they are the greatest country in the world that saved everybody else twice and now defends the entire planet, but many are brought up being taught that from infants and have no reason to question it.
I'm not sure we are that much better on the whole, look at who's slowly but surely rising up the political system. |
Oh I'm not saying its unique to Americans, far from it (which is bl00dy scary). And I wouldn't say I'm mocking them (the Trump voters specifically), if anything I'm being harsher than that; I am aware I am judging millions of people, and I'm comfortable in this instance doing so because of how extreme the political situation has become (this what I am trying to get across to LHB in my other post). 49% (or whatever) of US voters somehow miraculously haven't been hypnotised into voting for Trump and his abhorrent platform though, so it is not excusable or impossible to resist. | | | |
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