| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue 08:05 - Oct 1 with 617 views | NthQldITFC |
How can we continue to allow critical services to be in the hands of profit-first corporations while real, actual people suffer like this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g78yj2v2go
'One day I sat with a woman in a nightie who needed help to be taken from her bed to the bathroom, just 8ft away.
Her room echoed with signs of a life well lived - a proud career, foreign holidays with her loving family, an immaculately curated wardrobe of cashmere cardigans.
As we waited for a carer to come, she begged me not to leave.
She was becoming increasingly uncomfortable.
I tried to distract her with small talk about the view and the weather.
She listened until she could no longer hide her distress.
As her physical capacity to wait for the toilet finally crumbled, she began to sob.'
As individuals we need to be brave, face these uncomfortable realities and shift our priorities from short-term consumerism to long term society rebuilding. As politicians we need to be brave enough to make radical changes to the consumer/capitalist system and trust in enough of the electorate to be selfless enough to support those changes.
'Our investigation was sparked by an interview with Susan Christie, whose father spent two years in Castlehill, the largest care home in Inverness.
It is billed as a luxury home and charges up to £1,800 per week.'
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| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 08:07 - Oct 1 with 606 views | homer_123 |
Read that title and thought you'd gone nuts on KM for a minute there! [Post edited 1 Oct 8:11]
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| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 08:51 - Oct 1 with 472 views | Swansea_Blue |
| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 08:07 - Oct 1 by homer_123 |
Read that title and thought you'd gone nuts on KM for a minute there! [Post edited 1 Oct 8:11]
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I thought it was going to be about the multi-ball system. Or the one off, one on substitution system that wastes so much time. Or maybe even VAR, but I think everyone's been won over by that now 🤨.
Agree entirely with the OP. People should care (no pun intended) a lot more about this than they do. Even for those who don't really care about anyone else, you may like to think again as there's a good chance you'll end up somewhere like that but worse!
I'm not sure that anyone is offering any answers. Ed Davey talks a good game on social care, but I'm not sure what their proposed solutions are and whether they're realistic. |  |
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| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 09:10 - Oct 1 with 434 views | NthQldITFC |
| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 08:51 - Oct 1 by Swansea_Blue |
I thought it was going to be about the multi-ball system. Or the one off, one on substitution system that wastes so much time. Or maybe even VAR, but I think everyone's been won over by that now 🤨.
Agree entirely with the OP. People should care (no pun intended) a lot more about this than they do. Even for those who don't really care about anyone else, you may like to think again as there's a good chance you'll end up somewhere like that but worse!
I'm not sure that anyone is offering any answers. Ed Davey talks a good game on social care, but I'm not sure what their proposed solutions are and whether they're realistic. |
It's not really the specifics of this particular issue, but the system-wide economy which needs a complete reboot.
Aggressive capitalism on a finite and failing planet just doesn't work, but short-term self-interest is driving us to continue with it while we shut our minds to the blindingly obvious consequences.
A cruel, heartless, 'forget about them' and play with our shiny new toys 'care system' is just one amongst many horrendous social and environmental symptoms of the cancer of our obsession with growth and more and more and more.
Will we ever snap out of it? | |
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| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 09:15 - Oct 1 with 415 views | blueasfook |
Awful. Just awful, and sadly all too common in these homes. |  |
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| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 09:16 - Oct 1 with 408 views | Swansea_Blue |
| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 09:10 - Oct 1 by NthQldITFC |
It's not really the specifics of this particular issue, but the system-wide economy which needs a complete reboot.
Aggressive capitalism on a finite and failing planet just doesn't work, but short-term self-interest is driving us to continue with it while we shut our minds to the blindingly obvious consequences.
A cruel, heartless, 'forget about them' and play with our shiny new toys 'care system' is just one amongst many horrendous social and environmental symptoms of the cancer of our obsession with growth and more and more and more.
Will we ever snap out of it? |
For sure, it's another symptom of the disease. See also crap in our rivers and on our beaches, the most expensive rail fares in western Europe despite no domestic high speed lines. We keep banging the same drum and expecting a different tune. | |
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| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 10:49 - Oct 1 with 279 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I don’t know why care can’t be placed into the state and run as a not for profit sector. I get the perilous state of the fiscal situation, but it could be run at cost, and more importantly a better level of care. I know people that have worked in the sector, and subsequently left because the level of care, and employment conditions are so poor (hence why we have such a shortage of people willing to do it). |  | | |
| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 10:52 - Oct 1 with 268 views | Radlett_blue |
| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 10:49 - Oct 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I don’t know why care can’t be placed into the state and run as a not for profit sector. I get the perilous state of the fiscal situation, but it could be run at cost, and more importantly a better level of care. I know people that have worked in the sector, and subsequently left because the level of care, and employment conditions are so poor (hence why we have such a shortage of people willing to do it). |
Various parties have looked at this but the cost is horrendous. Politicians know that, whatever people say in polls, they rarely vote for higher taxation.
The reality is that we probably need to adopt Asian type culture whereby families look after their elderly as this problem is only going to get worse. |  |
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| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 10:56 - Oct 1 with 252 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 10:52 - Oct 1 by Radlett_blue |
Various parties have looked at this but the cost is horrendous. Politicians know that, whatever people say in polls, they rarely vote for higher taxation.
The reality is that we probably need to adopt Asian type culture whereby families look after their elderly as this problem is only going to get worse. |
Hence why I suggested it would be run at cost (I.e people would be self funding if they have the resources). That way you remove the element of profit and disincentivise the cutting corners in care to maximise margins. There would be no additional burden on national finances. Personally a means tested system seems fair if older generations have 100’s of thousands in equity in their properties, and those that do not would get some state funding as is the case now. | | | |
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| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 13:13 - Oct 1 with 179 views | CoachRob |
| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 09:10 - Oct 1 by NthQldITFC |
It's not really the specifics of this particular issue, but the system-wide economy which needs a complete reboot.
Aggressive capitalism on a finite and failing planet just doesn't work, but short-term self-interest is driving us to continue with it while we shut our minds to the blindingly obvious consequences.
A cruel, heartless, 'forget about them' and play with our shiny new toys 'care system' is just one amongst many horrendous social and environmental symptoms of the cancer of our obsession with growth and more and more and more.
Will we ever snap out of it? |
Totally agree, Tim Jackson and Kate Raworth have done some work on the caring economy to address your initial point.
At a recent meeting I attended on system dynamics and systems thinking at UCL, a chap from DESNZ gave a talk about how different government departments were implementing these ideas. The one that stood out out for its absence was the Treasury Department. They buy into to all the nonsense pumped out by economic quangos and think tanks. A figurative silo of sh!t.
Clearly the government can create whatever economy it wants; if it wants to fund a war effort against an aggressor, it can; if it wants to fund a bailout of banks, it can; if it wants to pay peoples wages during Covid, it can. The clueless and dated nonsense peddled by many, including those on the Left, of austerity economics (fiscal rules, balanced budgets, bond vigilantes, tax and 'borrow' to spend and associated junk science) is in no way commensurate with numerous cross-disciplinary scientific warnings about our environment. Dump growth and focus on the multitude of problems caused by our increasing footprint on the planet.
Will we ever snap out of it?
I'll leave you this quote by Carl Sagan,
“Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time—when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.” |  | | |
| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 13:15 - Oct 1 with 168 views | Clapham_Junction |
| A disgrace - a failure of a system which we shamefully allow to continue on 10:49 - Oct 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I don’t know why care can’t be placed into the state and run as a not for profit sector. I get the perilous state of the fiscal situation, but it could be run at cost, and more importantly a better level of care. I know people that have worked in the sector, and subsequently left because the level of care, and employment conditions are so poor (hence why we have such a shortage of people willing to do it). |
SCC used to have its own care homes (until the early 2010s). They were pretty good (my grandfather was in the one in Hadleigh) and paid better than the private sector ones (and had the decent local government pension). But as a result they were more expensive, so the council decided to save money by privatising them... |  | | |
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