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Can someone with more knowledge of Sammy S time at Blackburn, confirm where he did indeed play
i've always thought he was like a shadow striker, but in the below highlights, he's so far advanced in alot of the goals its like he was indeed an actual striker
If it's the later and he was indeed a striker, although he didnt have a great game there v newcastle ( it was newcastle too!) why have we not seen him there for a run of games
He's kinda moved away from that but i guess it depends how you view it.
When signing akpom he said playing players to their strengths rather than pigeon holeling them into the team.
In my view he does what you say rather than what he says above. I.e for me samm s for example isn't being played to his strengths.
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I think the thing with Szmodics is that he probably isn't actually very good. He had one outstanding season at Blackburn but that is something of an anomaly in his career. If he can only play really well in a very specific role as part of a particular team set up it shows that he's limited. I questioned at the time why we signed him and I still have questions 14 months later. His workrate is excellent but he doesn't have the quality on the ball that we need and even his finishing seems to have deserted him at the minute.
A central forward that drops deep, to create space for team mates further up the pitch is what I thought a false 9 was!
A false 9 very rarely plays up against the CBs, they are usually too small to be effective in competing for first balls so they spend pretty much all of their time dropping into the hole and making runs in behind from those deeper positions. That does not remotely describe how someone like Hirst plays. He drops in at times but mostly he leads the line and goes up against the CBs. If you played a false 9 in our system, they'd constantly be in the way of the number 10.
A false 9 very rarely plays up against the CBs, they are usually too small to be effective in competing for first balls so they spend pretty much all of their time dropping into the hole and making runs in behind from those deeper positions. That does not remotely describe how someone like Hirst plays. He drops in at times but mostly he leads the line and goes up against the CBs. If you played a false 9 in our system, they'd constantly be in the way of the number 10.
A false 9 very rarely plays up against the CBs, they are usually too small to be effective in competing for first balls so they spend pretty much all of their time dropping into the hole and making runs in behind from those deeper positions. That does not remotely describe how someone like Hirst plays. He drops in at times but mostly he leads the line and goes up against the CBs. If you played a false 9 in our system, they'd constantly be in the way of the number 10.
I think a false 9 only happens when you do not play a 9 at all. First time I heard of a false 9 was Fabregas for Barca many years ago was deployed as false 9 and the centre backs were totally lost, had no one to mark ended up being dragged out of shape leaving big holes for the like of Messi and Neymar. As you sort of infer false 9 s have morphed into 10s, difference being 10s can play alongside 9s. Does that remotely make sense ?
Think of Messi at Barca as being the archetype of the false 9. He wasn't trying to win flick ons or hold the ball up but we was playing in the middle of the attack, though often the wide forwards would be more advanced than him. It'd require us setting up in a very different way to play Szmodics in that role and if I'm honest, I don't think he's good enough to justify us drastically changing our set up.
I think a false 9 only happens when you do not play a 9 at all. First time I heard of a false 9 was Fabregas for Barca many years ago was deployed as false 9 and the centre backs were totally lost, had no one to mark ended up being dragged out of shape leaving big holes for the like of Messi and Neymar. As you sort of infer false 9 s have morphed into 10s, difference being 10s can play alongside 9s. Does that remotely make sense ?
Messi also played as a false 9 quite a bit, he started on the right for Barca but became more central. You're right that they aren't really a 9 at all, not in the traditional sense, as they aren't looking to play up on that front line.
I think the thing with Szmodics is that he probably isn't actually very good. He had one outstanding season at Blackburn but that is something of an anomaly in his career. If he can only play really well in a very specific role as part of a particular team set up it shows that he's limited. I questioned at the time why we signed him and I still have questions 14 months later. His workrate is excellent but he doesn't have the quality on the ball that we need and even his finishing seems to have deserted him at the minute.
Annoyingly, I tend to agree with this.
It was a slightly odd signing at the time.
Said earlier this month that he'll end up on a similar career trajectory to Chaplin and we'll gradually move away from him (as long as we can upgrade) and I stand by that. Hasn't quite got the legs or physically to affect games enough and isn't getting in goal scoring positions enough (arguably not his fault). He often has to go very much full throttle in terms of running to affect games.
Said earlier this month that he'll end up on a similar career trajectory to Chaplin and we'll gradually move away from him (as long as we can upgrade) and I stand by that. Hasn't quite got the legs or physically to affect games enough and isn't getting in goal scoring positions enough (arguably not his fault). He often has to go very much full throttle in terms of running to affect games.
He's quite an odd signing for us really wasn't he. Not someone you'd imagine was going to do well in the prem and doesn't really fit the mould of what we need now.
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