| Ashes reaction... 09:12 - Dec 21 with 456 views | bluelagos |
Can't see how Key and McCullum can stay on after the series. So much put into this and so little delivered.
Genuinely believe this Aussie side is far from a top one so to be so throughly outplayed has to come with a need for a reset.
Ironically we played well overall in the past 2 days but why has it taken so long to ditch the T20 bollox and actually recognise test cricket requires a different approach?
The preparations have clearly not been successful, but there are selection questions too. Carey has been outstanding and shows how important a role a wicketkeeper is yet we play without one. Same with the spin bowler, asking batters to cover that role.
Stokes isn't above criticism, especially the way the bowlers seemed to forget where the stumps were for large parts of the tests. Again, T20 nonsense instead of standard test bowling.
More than disappointed tbh |  |
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| Ashes reaction... on 09:26 - Dec 21 with 413 views | Radlett_blue |
Agreed, but McCullum is contracted until the end of 2027. Key could demote him to just being white ball coach, but England are actually worse at white ball cricket than Tests. |  |
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| Ashes reaction... on 09:45 - Dec 21 with 373 views | bluelagos |
| Ashes reaction... on 09:26 - Dec 21 by Radlett_blue |
Agreed, but McCullum is contracted until the end of 2027. Key could demote him to just being white ball coach, but England are actually worse at white ball cricket than Tests. |
He might be better suited to coaching pyjama cricket but I wonder if his ego would allow him to accept that.
Would a payoff be prohibitive for the ECB? | |
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| Ashes reaction... on 10:04 - Dec 21 with 335 views | woodbridge_blue |
| Ashes reaction... on 09:26 - Dec 21 by Radlett_blue |
Agreed, but McCullum is contracted until the end of 2027. Key could demote him to just being white ball coach, but England are actually worse at white ball cricket than Tests. |
The ECB has the authority to dismiss both Key and McCullum and, in my opinion, should do so immediately. The series is lost and no time should be wasted in planning for future Test series.
For years we have been told that everything red ball is geared towards The Ashes 25/26, at the expense of everything else, ignoring the fact that other countries such as India, South Africa and New Zealand present at least if not tougher challenges than Australia.
The whole process has been a total shambles, interspersed admittedly with some thrilling run chases, but no solid foundations have been built.
Of course we need an international class wicketkeeper but we muddle through with part timers who can allegedly bat a bit. The spin bowling position is a complete joke, so we end up with a white ball batsman who has hardly played, let alone bowled, for Surrey in the past three years in the County Championship.
At least two County Head Coaches have said they have never seen or been contacted by a selector at their red ball games.
I could go on. I managed to survive some fairly shambolic England set-ups in the 80s and 90s, but this lot top the lot.
On the plus side, WB Junior has had the time of his life in Adelaide and is looking forward to Melbourne. |  | | |
| Ashes reaction... on 10:43 - Dec 21 with 274 views | MaySixth |
It is simplistic to blame a coaching regime for this result. Any coach or director of cricket, taking over an England men's teams, will struggle with the dysfunctional domestic system and challenges between creating that high-performance environment and keeping players from the franchise circuit. Just sacking a coach and director of cricket probably wouldn't make a lot of difference.
Then again it's this team management who have stopped using specialist coaching. This team management who thought the preparation for this series was adequate. It was this team management who have encouraged players to go hard for several years and are now trying to claim they also urged them to absorb pressure.
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| Ashes reaction... on 10:48 - Dec 21 with 262 views | Radlett_blue |
| Ashes reaction... on 10:43 - Dec 21 by MaySixth |
It is simplistic to blame a coaching regime for this result. Any coach or director of cricket, taking over an England men's teams, will struggle with the dysfunctional domestic system and challenges between creating that high-performance environment and keeping players from the franchise circuit. Just sacking a coach and director of cricket probably wouldn't make a lot of difference.
Then again it's this team management who have stopped using specialist coaching. This team management who thought the preparation for this series was adequate. It was this team management who have encouraged players to go hard for several years and are now trying to claim they also urged them to absorb pressure.
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The trend in Test cricket has been towards more 1 sided contests & more home wins. given the lack of preparation of most touring sides these days, that shouldn't be a surprise.
The schedule the ECB have saddled England with (out of greed, or to keep the players from being lost to franchise cricket) doesn't help.
Selectorial "hunch" calls, such as discarding England's best spin bowler (Leach) for the untried Bashir don't help. The latter needs to play more cricket, not learn by playing Test matches, but he couldn't get a game for Somerset & was hopeless in a loan spell at Glamorgan. | |
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| Ashes reaction... on 10:52 - Dec 21 with 260 views | woodbridge_blue |
| Ashes reaction... on 10:43 - Dec 21 by MaySixth |
It is simplistic to blame a coaching regime for this result. Any coach or director of cricket, taking over an England men's teams, will struggle with the dysfunctional domestic system and challenges between creating that high-performance environment and keeping players from the franchise circuit. Just sacking a coach and director of cricket probably wouldn't make a lot of difference.
Then again it's this team management who have stopped using specialist coaching. This team management who thought the preparation for this series was adequate. It was this team management who have encouraged players to go hard for several years and are now trying to claim they also urged them to absorb pressure.
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Good points, and I agree it's not all down to Key and MCullum....but a large and significant part of it is and they must shoulder the bulk of the responsibility.
I suppose it boils down to whether we are satisfied with the occasional thrilling high-octane match or series, at the expense of some dismal defeats.
Looking ahead long term, our structure is not preparing first class cricketers for hard-nosed, attrition test cricket so maybe old fossils like me will just have to get used to it. | | | |
| Ashes reaction... on 14:17 - Dec 21 with 170 views | gordon |
The article on BBC is mind-boggling to me - most of the team, according to that article, most of the squad were drinking for 6 days in a row in Brisbane and the trip to Noosa. Only 3 players turned up for a 7:45am run. The culture sounds awful. [Post edited 21 Dec 14:19]
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| Ashes reaction... on 18:24 - Dec 21 with 53 views | bournemouthblue |
| Ashes reaction... on 10:43 - Dec 21 by MaySixth |
It is simplistic to blame a coaching regime for this result. Any coach or director of cricket, taking over an England men's teams, will struggle with the dysfunctional domestic system and challenges between creating that high-performance environment and keeping players from the franchise circuit. Just sacking a coach and director of cricket probably wouldn't make a lot of difference.
Then again it's this team management who have stopped using specialist coaching. This team management who thought the preparation for this series was adequate. It was this team management who have encouraged players to go hard for several years and are now trying to claim they also urged them to absorb pressure.
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I do agree that the issues are more systematic
Personally I would make sure we are using Kookaburra balls in the home tests before the Ashes down under, consider playing on Drop In pitches for some of these tests as well and some decent warm up games/series before going to Australia
They probably need some pink ball tests, have they ever tried pink ball county games? |  |
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