| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 09:51 - Dec 24 with 293 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 09:17 - Dec 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
When were you not allowed to call actual acts of antisemitism what they are? |
You've spent years attempting to dismiss and downplay it Banksy.
Your quotes referencing rising antisemitism in Australia seem rather pertinent now after the attack on Jews on Bondi Beach ast week.
"Well I opened the Guardian and if that is supposed to illustrate "the World turning on Jews" I won't be bothering with the rest...."
"“Antisemitism has only risen 498pc in Australia” is not the gotcha you seem to think it is."
"Nothing to do with Top Trumps at all.....the point is that a high percentage increase on almost nothing is still almost nothing. It is certainly not indicative of J2's wild claim and the impression that GB wants to propagate".
"Hit me with some absolute numbers not percentage increases.
Until then I will devote more of my energy thinking about 20,000 + dead Palestinians in 2 months not including the still buried ones, 2/3rds of which are women and children."
"What I was highlighting is how percentage increases can make something appear much worse"
"We have had years of talk of "existential threat" and now "the World being fcuking scary for (all) Jews".....I don't remember any other forms of racism being framed this way."
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 09:55 - Dec 24 with 264 views | lowhouseblue |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 18:35 - Dec 23 by eirannach_gorm |
Targeting Jews is clearly antisemitic. Targeting Israel for appalling behaviour is clearly not. The Israeli government have deliberately and consistantly attempted to blur this distinction. This disrespects actual antisemetic acts such as indicated by the report ( and the mass shooting in Bondi ). Antisemetism ( like all forms of targeting race or religion ) should be stamped on very strongly. |
why are you bringing 'targeting israel' into a thread about a plot to kill a large number of jews in manchester? do you really not see that introducing that connection can be read as using the former to explain the latter? [Post edited 24 Dec 9:56]
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 10:26 - Dec 24 with 199 views | NthQldITFC |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 09:35 - Dec 24 by baxterbasics |
Thing is, as much as it is right to say "Jews and Israel are not the same thing" the connection is still relevant because in the minds of those that do these atrocities they are linked. Israel is not just despised because of it's own actions, there's a bonus level of attention in some quarters because it is a Jewish state. If the regional beef was just between say, two different Islamic factions, would it be getting anywhere near the same level of attention? Of course not. The old enemy, Jews are bottom of the food chain and when 'their' state is causing grief they will get the blow-back in most corners of the world even when they have no other connection to Israel.
So no, being anti-Israel and anti-semitism are not the same thing but in the minds of many at the sharp end this distinction is ignored: our domestic terrorists, encouraged by useful-idiot apologists, think Jews are fair game "because Israel" |
I agree that is the case with some 'people' who are anti-Jewish racists, but those of us (the majority here I am absolutely certain) who condemn terrorism of all kinds and are disgusted by the actions of a Western-funded, asymmetrically superior, high-tech, relative military superpower who is supposedly one of our closest allies, continually bombing the crap out of civilians because one of them might be an active terrorist or directly assassinating civilians in food queues for target practice - breathe - we have the right, in fact the moral duty, to despise that state ENTIRELY because of its actions. It's internationally recognised genocidal actions, it's war crimes, it's decades of ongoing ethnic cleansing, shamelessly ramped up now under the protection of the wildly spinning moral compass of a half-wit narcissistic sponsor in the White House. Our fkn ally, ffs! |  |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 10:32 - Dec 24 with 195 views | positivity |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:15 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Nobody is saying that there shouldn’t be legitimate criticism of the Israeli government. I do it all the time. Why did he or she need to say it on this thread? He or she brought Israel into this thread for no particular reason.
When right wing thugs were committing Islamophobic acts in the wake of the tragic Southport stabbing there was a lot of discussion on this board condemning the racists. Did one a single person
post that Islamophobia is bad but saying osama bin laden did some evil things isn't islamophobic? It would have been both inappropriate and completely irrelevant to the discussion.
Is the sate of an Israel committing war crimes? Yes. Should Netanyahu' be sitting in a cell in The Hague? Damn right he should. But there are plenty of threads to express that. Why jump on this one if not to muddy the waters? Why can’t antisemitism be condemned without a but at the end?
It happens too many times, usually from the same posters. If you’d have asked me to name five posters who would bring Israel into this thread E-G would have been one of them. It’s a pattern. Maybe only somebody with skin in the game would notice.
Edit. BTW this is a very good article which seems relevant to the debate.
https://everydayhate.substack.com/p/hating-zionists-killing-jews [Post edited 24 Dec 5:57]
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not sure why you're picking fights.
everybody sensible condemns true antisemitism, but right-wing politicians like netanyahu claim antisemitism inappropriately for every perceived slight or criticism of his actions, so it's inevitable that this will come into any discussion of what is or isn't antisemitism.
i know you wouldn't agree with netanyahu's definition of antisemitism, and you'd be far closer to eirreanach (sorry for any spelling errors!) so why be so antagonistic, when we're all broadly agreeing? [Post edited 24 Dec 10:33]
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 10:43 - Dec 24 with 166 views | Ralphinho |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 09:55 - Dec 24 by lowhouseblue |
why are you bringing 'targeting israel' into a thread about a plot to kill a large number of jews in manchester? do you really not see that introducing that connection can be read as using the former to explain the latter? [Post edited 24 Dec 9:56]
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This planned attack was clearly antisemitic.
Set against that context, the title suggests that antisemitism is often dismissed. That is as undeniable as the first statement.
Naturally the readers mind is drawn to previous times where antisemitism has been dismissed (rightly or wrongly) to determine the point being made by OP. |  |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 10:47 - Dec 24 with 154 views | lowhouseblue |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 10:32 - Dec 24 by positivity |
not sure why you're picking fights.
everybody sensible condemns true antisemitism, but right-wing politicians like netanyahu claim antisemitism inappropriately for every perceived slight or criticism of his actions, so it's inevitable that this will come into any discussion of what is or isn't antisemitism.
i know you wouldn't agree with netanyahu's definition of antisemitism, and you'd be far closer to eirreanach (sorry for any spelling errors!) so why be so antagonistic, when we're all broadly agreeing? [Post edited 24 Dec 10:33]
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so, say hypothetically, there was a thread about people being convicted for a plot to mass murder uk citizens of chinese heritage in london's china town. you'd be quite content with someone connecting that to the chinese government's appalling human rights abuses against the uyghur people. perfectly fine to join the two together? | |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 11:00 - Dec 24 with 126 views | Ralphinho |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 10:47 - Dec 24 by lowhouseblue |
so, say hypothetically, there was a thread about people being convicted for a plot to mass murder uk citizens of chinese heritage in london's china town. you'd be quite content with someone connecting that to the chinese government's appalling human rights abuses against the uyghur people. perfectly fine to join the two together? |
If there was a title asking whether the planned attack was inherently 'China-phobic' (a quick google search didn't identify a specific word for that specific type of discrimination) AND the Chinese Government had been particularly vocal across the world, saying anyone opposing their horrendous treatment of Uyghur was 'China-phobic', then yes, I think the same parallels would be drawn.
Its about the context and the provocative nature of the title, and you know that as well as everyone else. | |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 11:07 - Dec 24 with 108 views | Churchman |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 09:35 - Dec 24 by baxterbasics |
Thing is, as much as it is right to say "Jews and Israel are not the same thing" the connection is still relevant because in the minds of those that do these atrocities they are linked. Israel is not just despised because of it's own actions, there's a bonus level of attention in some quarters because it is a Jewish state. If the regional beef was just between say, two different Islamic factions, would it be getting anywhere near the same level of attention? Of course not. The old enemy, Jews are bottom of the food chain and when 'their' state is causing grief they will get the blow-back in most corners of the world even when they have no other connection to Israel.
So no, being anti-Israel and anti-semitism are not the same thing but in the minds of many at the sharp end this distinction is ignored: our domestic terrorists, encouraged by useful-idiot apologists, think Jews are fair game "because Israel" |
The key words are in the first two lines of the article:
‘Two men who swore allegiance to Islamic State have been found guilty of plotting to “kill as many Jewish people as they could”
It’s a pity that the word ‘Jewish’ is in the sentence, because take that out and it’s just ‘people’ they want to kill. The label doesn’t justify the action in my world.
They planned to do this in Greater Manchester, England. I am not interested in underlying politics, causes, whether it’s Islamic extremists, Jews, Iranians, Americans or the Teletubbies. What these animals were going to do is not acceptable under any circumstances.
A society has to have one set of rules, one set of laws. Accept that and solutions become much clearer. |  | | |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 12:27 - Dec 24 with 41 views | DJR |
“They tried to kill us. They failed. Let’s eat,” Andrew Walters said.
It is an old Jewish joke that’s as relevant as ever in Greater Manchester in the face of today’s threats.
For Walters, the independent councillor for Kersal and Broughton Park, Salford, the joke encapsulates the good-humoured resilience that is a defining feature of his Orthodox Jewish community.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2025/dec/24/solidarity-and-vigilance-in-british |  | | |
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