| Industrial revolution in space on 10:04 - Dec 31 with 402 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Since our councils send a lot of our recycling to landfill in Turkey, next logical step is to dump it on Mars I guess. |  | |  |
| Industrial revolution in space on 10:08 - Dec 31 with 387 views | Guthrum |
| Industrial revolution in space on 10:04 - Dec 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Since our councils send a lot of our recycling to landfill in Turkey, next logical step is to dump it on Mars I guess. |
Space is very, very big - but also extremely expensive to get stuff to. |  |
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| Industrial revolution in space on 10:51 - Dec 31 with 303 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Industrial revolution in space on 10:08 - Dec 31 by Guthrum |
Space is very, very big - but also extremely expensive to get stuff to. |
Yeah slightly tongue in cheek there, our councils can’t even afford to fill potholes let alone a launch from Cape Canaveral.. | | | |
| Industrial revolution in space on 11:13 - Dec 31 with 293 views | bsw72 |
| Industrial revolution in space on 10:04 - Dec 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Since our councils send a lot of our recycling to landfill in Turkey, next logical step is to dump it on Mars I guess. |
Unlikely.
It costs between $5,000 and $10,000 per kilogram to send anything into space. A rubbish lorry can carry about 12,000 kg when full, which means it would cost between $60 million and $120 million just to send one lorry load to Mars.
Considering Babergh Council’s entire annual budget is around $45 million, it’s pretty clear this just isn’t doable.
Plus, a SpaceX rocket can currently only carry about 4 tonnes (4,000 kg) to Mars, so you’d need three launches just to get one lorry’s worth of rubbish there.
Looking at the numbers for Babergh’s waste:
Total household waste collected each year is about 33,400 tonnes
Of that, around 13,000 tonnes gets recycled
And roughly 20,400 tonnes ends up in landfill
If you tried to send all that landfill waste to Mars, you’d need over 5,000 rocket launches (20,400 tonnes divided by 4 tonnes per launch). At $5,000 to $10,000 per kilogram, the cost would be somewhere up to $204 billion every year.
So, while chucking rubbish on Mars might sound like a cool sci-fi idea, the reality is it’s way too expensive and complicated to be anything but a joke for now.
You're welcome. |  | | |
| Industrial revolution in space on 11:43 - Dec 31 with 233 views | PhilsAngels |
| Industrial revolution in space on 11:13 - Dec 31 by bsw72 |
Unlikely.
It costs between $5,000 and $10,000 per kilogram to send anything into space. A rubbish lorry can carry about 12,000 kg when full, which means it would cost between $60 million and $120 million just to send one lorry load to Mars.
Considering Babergh Council’s entire annual budget is around $45 million, it’s pretty clear this just isn’t doable.
Plus, a SpaceX rocket can currently only carry about 4 tonnes (4,000 kg) to Mars, so you’d need three launches just to get one lorry’s worth of rubbish there.
Looking at the numbers for Babergh’s waste:
Total household waste collected each year is about 33,400 tonnes
Of that, around 13,000 tonnes gets recycled
And roughly 20,400 tonnes ends up in landfill
If you tried to send all that landfill waste to Mars, you’d need over 5,000 rocket launches (20,400 tonnes divided by 4 tonnes per launch). At $5,000 to $10,000 per kilogram, the cost would be somewhere up to $204 billion every year.
So, while chucking rubbish on Mars might sound like a cool sci-fi idea, the reality is it’s way too expensive and complicated to be anything but a joke for now.
You're welcome. |
So doable then with a slight increase in council tax. | | | |
| Industrial revolution in space on 11:49 - Dec 31 with 222 views | bsw72 |
| Industrial revolution in space on 11:43 - Dec 31 by PhilsAngels |
So doable then with a slight increase in council tax. |
Ah, good point, well presented.
To fund this Mars Waste Disposal Program (MWDP) for Babergh it would require approx max additional council tax funding per household of ~$5M per year.
That's a 1,267,537% increase. [Post edited 31 Dec 11:51]
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| Industrial revolution in space on 12:16 - Dec 31 with 156 views | stonojnr |
| Industrial revolution in space on 11:13 - Dec 31 by bsw72 |
Unlikely.
It costs between $5,000 and $10,000 per kilogram to send anything into space. A rubbish lorry can carry about 12,000 kg when full, which means it would cost between $60 million and $120 million just to send one lorry load to Mars.
Considering Babergh Council’s entire annual budget is around $45 million, it’s pretty clear this just isn’t doable.
Plus, a SpaceX rocket can currently only carry about 4 tonnes (4,000 kg) to Mars, so you’d need three launches just to get one lorry’s worth of rubbish there.
Looking at the numbers for Babergh’s waste:
Total household waste collected each year is about 33,400 tonnes
Of that, around 13,000 tonnes gets recycled
And roughly 20,400 tonnes ends up in landfill
If you tried to send all that landfill waste to Mars, you’d need over 5,000 rocket launches (20,400 tonnes divided by 4 tonnes per launch). At $5,000 to $10,000 per kilogram, the cost would be somewhere up to $204 billion every year.
So, while chucking rubbish on Mars might sound like a cool sci-fi idea, the reality is it’s way too expensive and complicated to be anything but a joke for now.
You're welcome. |
not sure where youve got your numbers from but SpaceX Falcon heavy can launch about 64 tonnes to LEO, and almost 17 tonnes to Mars and thats right now, and infact theyve already launched Elons Tesla (about 1300kg) on a trans Mars injection heliocentric orbit, and various satellites and probe missions to Europa and the asteroid belt of increasing weight.
then theres Starship...
as for costs, its around $2000 dollars now per kilo for reusable flights (note the Tesla was a reusable flight) and SpaceX aim is to get it down to between $10-$100. | | | |
| Industrial revolution in space on 13:22 - Dec 31 with 116 views | StokieBlue |
| Industrial revolution in space on 12:16 - Dec 31 by stonojnr |
not sure where youve got your numbers from but SpaceX Falcon heavy can launch about 64 tonnes to LEO, and almost 17 tonnes to Mars and thats right now, and infact theyve already launched Elons Tesla (about 1300kg) on a trans Mars injection heliocentric orbit, and various satellites and probe missions to Europa and the asteroid belt of increasing weight.
then theres Starship...
as for costs, its around $2000 dollars now per kilo for reusable flights (note the Tesla was a reusable flight) and SpaceX aim is to get it down to between $10-$100. |
It's only going to get cheaper as well as other companies get to grips with the reusable rocket technology.
There is a worry about saturating NEO though with constellations like Starlink being constructed and the Chinese making their own version.
It's not ideal for astronomers but thus far hasn't affected my imaging unless I happen to catch a launch and the train of satellites moves overhead.
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| Industrial revolution in space on 13:27 - Dec 31 with 111 views | TractorWood |
| Industrial revolution in space on 11:13 - Dec 31 by bsw72 |
Unlikely.
It costs between $5,000 and $10,000 per kilogram to send anything into space. A rubbish lorry can carry about 12,000 kg when full, which means it would cost between $60 million and $120 million just to send one lorry load to Mars.
Considering Babergh Council’s entire annual budget is around $45 million, it’s pretty clear this just isn’t doable.
Plus, a SpaceX rocket can currently only carry about 4 tonnes (4,000 kg) to Mars, so you’d need three launches just to get one lorry’s worth of rubbish there.
Looking at the numbers for Babergh’s waste:
Total household waste collected each year is about 33,400 tonnes
Of that, around 13,000 tonnes gets recycled
And roughly 20,400 tonnes ends up in landfill
If you tried to send all that landfill waste to Mars, you’d need over 5,000 rocket launches (20,400 tonnes divided by 4 tonnes per launch). At $5,000 to $10,000 per kilogram, the cost would be somewhere up to $204 billion every year.
So, while chucking rubbish on Mars might sound like a cool sci-fi idea, the reality is it’s way too expensive and complicated to be anything but a joke for now.
You're welcome. |
I thought this was a Karl Pilkington reference. When he said they'd found a dishwasher on Mars in about 2001. |  |
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| Industrial revolution in space on 13:50 - Dec 31 with 90 views | WeWereZombies |
It's an interesting story and your angle is relevant but there's also a lessening of pollution on Earth if the space production is more efficient. |  |
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| Industrial revolution in space on 14:25 - Dec 31 with 64 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Industrial revolution in space on 10:08 - Dec 31 by Guthrum |
Space is very, very big - but also extremely expensive to get stuff to. |
Isn't it though?
I mean I thought it was a long way down the road to the chemist but compared to space that's nothing. |  |
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