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Palestine Action 18:24 - Feb 4 with 4437 viewsDJR

https://www.theguardian.com/uk

"Palestine Action activists cleared of aggravated burglary at Israeli defence firm site

None of the six activists were convicted of any offence over break-in at Elbit Systems factory near Bristol in 2024"

A couple of observations.

1. No wonder they want to get rid of jury trials.

2. Defend Our Juries said the verdicts were “a huge blow to government ministers” who had “tried to portray Palestine Action as a violent group to justify banning it under badly drafted terrorism legislation”. Amnesty International also said it showed how disproportionate the proscription decision was.
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Palestine Action on 17:57 - Feb 5 with 849 viewsGlasgowBlue

Palestine Action on 16:13 - Feb 5 by DJR

But this thread has got onto antisemitism (including the implied suggestion that the jury was antismetic) when that issue couldn't have been further from my mind when I posted what I did.

I suppose it just shows the difficulties/interpretations that can arise by posting anything about Israel, Gaza, Palestine or Palestine Action, so in future I am just going to stay off these topics on TWTD: I'm not on social media elsewhere anyway.
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Hang on a minute. Where has anyone implied that the jury was anti semitic?

What a lot of people have said is that they believe the jury was swayed due to horrific situation in Gaza over the past two years. As Joe posted earlier, ""During the trial one juror asked the judge whether it would count as a lawful excuse if a defendant believed they were performing a life-saving action by destroying weapons used to kill civilians in an illegal genocide".
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I posted an excerpt from Stephen Pollard's column where he links this get away with anything" attitude if you are doing it in the name of "Free Palestine". I then gave several examples of anti semitic incidents where attacks on Jews were done in the name of "free Palestine".

The point Pollard is making is that yesterday's verdict (not anti semitic) is seen by the Jewish community as a green light for further attacks against them in the name of "Free Palestine".

You can agree or disagree with that point without complaining that people are being accused of antisemitism, when they are patently not.
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Palestine Action on 18:24 - Feb 5 with 807 viewsDJR

Palestine Action on 17:57 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue

Hang on a minute. Where has anyone implied that the jury was anti semitic?

What a lot of people have said is that they believe the jury was swayed due to horrific situation in Gaza over the past two years. As Joe posted earlier, ""During the trial one juror asked the judge whether it would count as a lawful excuse if a defendant believed they were performing a life-saving action by destroying weapons used to kill civilians in an illegal genocide".
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I posted an excerpt from Stephen Pollard's column where he links this get away with anything" attitude if you are doing it in the name of "Free Palestine". I then gave several examples of anti semitic incidents where attacks on Jews were done in the name of "free Palestine".

The point Pollard is making is that yesterday's verdict (not anti semitic) is seen by the Jewish community as a green light for further attacks against them in the name of "Free Palestine".

You can agree or disagree with that point without complaining that people are being accused of antisemitism, when they are patently not.
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I wasn't going to respond but I see you have edited your post which originally accused me of blubbing.

Nothing could be further from the truth but personal attacks seem just part of your modus operandi.
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Palestine Action on 18:35 - Feb 5 with 780 viewsGlasgowBlue

Palestine Action on 18:24 - Feb 5 by DJR

I wasn't going to respond but I see you have edited your post which originally accused me of blubbing.

Nothing could be further from the truth but personal attacks seem just part of your modus operandi.
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I couldn't think of a better word at the time. Self pitying was another.

Do you accept that nobody accused anyone on this thread or the jury of antisemitism?

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Palestine Action on 18:41 - Feb 5 with 771 viewsDJR

Palestine Action on 18:35 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue

I couldn't think of a better word at the time. Self pitying was another.

Do you accept that nobody accused anyone on this thread or the jury of antisemitism?


Another insult.
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Palestine Action on 18:44 - Feb 5 with 755 viewsGlasgowBlue

Palestine Action on 18:41 - Feb 5 by DJR

Another insult.


I don't know what else to call it. You came on the thread declaring you weren't an anti semite when nobody made the slightest suggestion that you are. You then claimed that it was implied that the jury were anti semitic when nobody implied anything of the sort.

I suggest you re read the thread.

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Palestine Action on 18:55 - Feb 5 with 732 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Palestine Action on 18:44 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue

I don't know what else to call it. You came on the thread declaring you weren't an anti semite when nobody made the slightest suggestion that you are. You then claimed that it was implied that the jury were anti semitic when nobody implied anything of the sort.

I suggest you re read the thread.


The article you linked is a total mess framed in references to antisemitism which it then drags the events leading to this trial and the juries verdict into. So don't pretend that you and the article don't frame the jury as antisemitic. Furthermore after that you have further mudded the waters of this thread by posting actual but completely unrelated antisemitic incidents. It's a smear job, the latest of many.

Edit....
"The Jewish community and our allies have complained about the police’s lack of action in protecting us, and about the CPS’s refusal to prosecute in too many cases, sending a clear message to the antisemites that they are cleared to go about their business."

Would this be the business of trashing genocide enabling factories or the business of acquitting them?
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"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Poll: Do you wipe after having a piss?

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Palestine Action on 19:06 - Feb 5 with 693 viewsGlasgowBlue

Palestine Action on 18:55 - Feb 5 by BanksterDebtSlave

The article you linked is a total mess framed in references to antisemitism which it then drags the events leading to this trial and the juries verdict into. So don't pretend that you and the article don't frame the jury as antisemitic. Furthermore after that you have further mudded the waters of this thread by posting actual but completely unrelated antisemitic incidents. It's a smear job, the latest of many.

Edit....
"The Jewish community and our allies have complained about the police’s lack of action in protecting us, and about the CPS’s refusal to prosecute in too many cases, sending a clear message to the antisemites that they are cleared to go about their business."

Would this be the business of trashing genocide enabling factories or the business of acquitting them?
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Thanks for posting the quote. It refers to the following.....

"Recent cases include a knifeman running into a kosher shop and attacking Jews. He walked home after court.

And last month a huge mob terrified people inside a restaurant in West London with Israeli connections. The police stood and watched (and have subsequently apologised for their refusal to act). A convoy of cars drove through Jewish areas in north west London screaming “F--- the Jews, rape their daughters”. No one was prosecuted. And that’s not even to mention the hate spread in mosques, when no action is taken".

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Palestine Action on 19:12 - Feb 5 with 669 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Palestine Action on 19:06 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue

Thanks for posting the quote. It refers to the following.....

"Recent cases include a knifeman running into a kosher shop and attacking Jews. He walked home after court.

And last month a huge mob terrified people inside a restaurant in West London with Israeli connections. The police stood and watched (and have subsequently apologised for their refusal to act). A convoy of cars drove through Jewish areas in north west London screaming “F--- the Jews, rape their daughters”. No one was prosecuted. And that’s not even to mention the hate spread in mosques, when no action is taken".


So what is it doing framing an article about an act of direct action against a genocide and a jury not finding them guilty?

"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Poll: Do you wipe after having a piss?

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Palestine Action on 19:20 - Feb 5 with 649 viewsGlasgowBlue

Palestine Action on 19:12 - Feb 5 by BanksterDebtSlave

So what is it doing framing an article about an act of direct action against a genocide and a jury not finding them guilty?


Dear Lord. I did this at 11.37 this morning.

Palestine Action by GlasgowBlue 5 Feb 11:37
You didn't read the article did you. No one said that.

The point bering made is you can literally break the spine of a policewoman with a sledgehammer 'because of Palestine' and go free.

You can drive round Jewish parts of London for *hours* screaming "Fcuk the Jews, rape their daughters" 'because of Palestine' and not be apprehended by police or prosecuted when identified.

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/disgust-over-cps-decision-to-drop-charges-against-remaining-palestine-convoy-suspects/

You can storm into a kosher supermarket with a knife and attack Jews 'because of Palestine' and face no hate crime charges or custodial sentence.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/golders-green-kosher-supermarket-knifeman-spared-jail-f6u1j13t

You can call for the destruction of Jewish homes and curse Jews and face no charges, let alone hate crime charges 'because of Palestine'.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/21/met-police-claimed-imams-sermon-saying-destroy-jewish-homes/

You can assault and terrify Jewish restaurant, synagogue and community centre-goers with impunity 'because of Palestine'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/01/31/met-admits-it-failed-to-protect-jews-from-racist-mob-in-not/

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/we-had-to-do-the-job-of-the-police-says-group-that-rushed-to-protect-london-shul-from-gaza-mob-ub5zk3yx

So in isolation, no the attack was not anti semitic. But taken with the other examples I've linked then there is a clear pattern that you can get away with antisemitism using the 'but Palestine' line. British Jews know what yesterday's verdict means for them.

edit. I think this reply alos covers Steve M's and Swanners point.



The attack by Palestine Action was not anti semitic. The verdict from the jury was not anti semitic. But it gives the green light to anti semites to continue attacking and harassing Jews in the name of "Free Palestine. That is the point being made.

You can either agree or disagree with it.

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Palestine Action on 19:29 - Feb 5 with 627 viewsreusersfreekicks

Palestine Action on 19:06 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue

Thanks for posting the quote. It refers to the following.....

"Recent cases include a knifeman running into a kosher shop and attacking Jews. He walked home after court.

And last month a huge mob terrified people inside a restaurant in West London with Israeli connections. The police stood and watched (and have subsequently apologised for their refusal to act). A convoy of cars drove through Jewish areas in north west London screaming “F--- the Jews, rape their daughters”. No one was prosecuted. And that’s not even to mention the hate spread in mosques, when no action is taken".


One of those links mentions BJ as Prime Minister
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Palestine Action on 19:32 - Feb 5 with 621 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Palestine Action on 19:20 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue

Dear Lord. I did this at 11.37 this morning.

Palestine Action by GlasgowBlue 5 Feb 11:37
You didn't read the article did you. No one said that.

The point bering made is you can literally break the spine of a policewoman with a sledgehammer 'because of Palestine' and go free.

You can drive round Jewish parts of London for *hours* screaming "Fcuk the Jews, rape their daughters" 'because of Palestine' and not be apprehended by police or prosecuted when identified.

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/disgust-over-cps-decision-to-drop-charges-against-remaining-palestine-convoy-suspects/

You can storm into a kosher supermarket with a knife and attack Jews 'because of Palestine' and face no hate crime charges or custodial sentence.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/golders-green-kosher-supermarket-knifeman-spared-jail-f6u1j13t

You can call for the destruction of Jewish homes and curse Jews and face no charges, let alone hate crime charges 'because of Palestine'.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/21/met-police-claimed-imams-sermon-saying-destroy-jewish-homes/

You can assault and terrify Jewish restaurant, synagogue and community centre-goers with impunity 'because of Palestine'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/01/31/met-admits-it-failed-to-protect-jews-from-racist-mob-in-not/

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/we-had-to-do-the-job-of-the-police-says-group-that-rushed-to-protect-london-shul-from-gaza-mob-ub5zk3yx

So in isolation, no the attack was not anti semitic. But taken with the other examples I've linked then there is a clear pattern that you can get away with antisemitism using the 'but Palestine' line. British Jews know what yesterday's verdict means for them.

edit. I think this reply alos covers Steve M's and Swanners point.



The attack by Palestine Action was not anti semitic. The verdict from the jury was not anti semitic. But it gives the green light to anti semites to continue attacking and harassing Jews in the name of "Free Palestine. That is the point being made.

You can either agree or disagree with it.


So what is that post doing on this thread....like the others it seeks to smear and distract.

"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Poll: Do you wipe after having a piss?

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Palestine Action on 19:49 - Feb 5 with 577 viewsGlasgowBlue

Palestine Action on 19:32 - Feb 5 by BanksterDebtSlave

So what is that post doing on this thread....like the others it seeks to smear and distract.


Good grief this is hard work. It's entirely relevant. The verdicts yesterday have given people a free pas to carry out attacks in the name pf "Free Palestine". The majority of attacks in the name of "Free Palestine" are usually against the Jewish community. These verdicts will see an increase i anti semitic attacks.

I'll leave it there thank you.

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Palestine Action on 19:56 - Feb 5 with 556 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Palestine Action on 19:49 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue

Good grief this is hard work. It's entirely relevant. The verdicts yesterday have given people a free pas to carry out attacks in the name pf "Free Palestine". The majority of attacks in the name of "Free Palestine" are usually against the Jewish community. These verdicts will see an increase i anti semitic attacks.

I'll leave it there thank you.


OK so I've got your point now I think....the action and the jury/verdict weren't antisemitic but give a green light to other things that are. Bizarre.

"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Poll: Do you wipe after having a piss?

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Palestine Action on 20:05 - Feb 5 with 541 viewsBlueForYou

Chris Philp has called for a retrial. Thank heavens someone has some sanity. Hopefully proper justice will prevail.
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Palestine Action on 20:20 - Feb 5 with 513 viewsBigalhunter

Palestine Action on 18:24 - Feb 5 by DJR

I wasn't going to respond but I see you have edited your post which originally accused me of blubbing.

Nothing could be further from the truth but personal attacks seem just part of your modus operandi.
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It would be a genuine shame if you stopped posting on these issues.

Hopefully you’ll reconsider.

Don’t let the relentlessly consistent m.o. of one individual with a huge back catalogue of this type of behaviour discourage you.

Dum without Dee is actually quite sad to behold…..(What’s App group, Jan 26)
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Palestine Action on 21:36 - Feb 5 with 424 viewsMattinLondon

Palestine Action on 20:05 - Feb 5 by BlueForYou

Chris Philp has called for a retrial. Thank heavens someone has some sanity. Hopefully proper justice will prevail.


Chris Philip and sanity don’t really tend to go together. He’s just saying things to win popularity. But as far as I’m aware a retrial can only happen if the original jury cannot reach a verdict - they did. Or if new evidence is presented - don’t think that this is the case. Or if there were legal errors happened which does not equate to not agreeing with the original verdict.

Based on what I’ve read I don’t agree with the verdict but obviously the jury reached a decision based on what evidence was presented to them.
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Palestine Action on 21:40 - Feb 5 with 419 viewsDJR

Palestine Action on 18:44 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue

I don't know what else to call it. You came on the thread declaring you weren't an anti semite when nobody made the slightest suggestion that you are. You then claimed that it was implied that the jury were anti semitic when nobody implied anything of the sort.

I suggest you re read the thread.


I have re-read the whole thread (including the article by Stephen Pollard) and am happy to stand by what I said.

"But this thread has got onto antisemitism (including the implied suggestion that the jury was antismetic) when that issue couldn't have been further from my mind when I posted what I did."

As regards my comment stating that I am not an antisemite, I thought it necessary to make it clear that I hadn't had any antisemitic intent when I made the OP given the turn that the thread had taken and suggestions that posters were celebrating. Maybe that was me being oversensitive, but I am not sure that is a sin or a weakness.

And still the two concerns I have (the abolition of juries and the extension of the Terrorism Act to direct-action groups) have hardly been touched on in a thread which is now 4 pages.

As it is, I still have misgivings about the blurring of the distinction between antisemitism and criticism of Israel, but when I posted something about the arrest of Peter Tatchell where this issue came into sharp focus, I didn't get much in the way of response so I sometimes wonder why I bother.

Finally, I don't really want to carry on this debate because it moves us further and further away from the point of my OP.
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Palestine Action on 21:42 - Feb 5 with 414 viewsDJR

Palestine Action on 20:20 - Feb 5 by Bigalhunter

It would be a genuine shame if you stopped posting on these issues.

Hopefully you’ll reconsider.

Don’t let the relentlessly consistent m.o. of one individual with a huge back catalogue of this type of behaviour discourage you.


You never know.
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Palestine Action on 22:16 - Feb 5 with 371 viewsKievthegreat

Palestine Action on 21:36 - Feb 5 by MattinLondon

Chris Philip and sanity don’t really tend to go together. He’s just saying things to win popularity. But as far as I’m aware a retrial can only happen if the original jury cannot reach a verdict - they did. Or if new evidence is presented - don’t think that this is the case. Or if there were legal errors happened which does not equate to not agreeing with the original verdict.

Based on what I’ve read I don’t agree with the verdict but obviously the jury reached a decision based on what evidence was presented to them.
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On several charges, the jury were unable to reach a verdict, so there is scope for retrials.

Based on the OP link, the GBH charge and the criminal damage charges against all 6.
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Palestine Action on 23:12 - Feb 5 with 313 viewsMattinLondon

Palestine Action on 22:16 - Feb 5 by Kievthegreat

On several charges, the jury were unable to reach a verdict, so there is scope for retrials.

Based on the OP link, the GBH charge and the criminal damage charges against all 6.
[Post edited 5 Feb 22:17]


Thanks for the clarification- didn’t realise that.
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