| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children 13:10 - Mar 9 with 5352 views | ElderGrizzly |
Israel have now killed just under 100 kids in Lebanon (so far).
https://www.theguardian.com/wo
And apparently Israel have started to make noises about Turkey being 'of concern'. Turkey being a member of NATO...
Edit/update: USA have now ordered Diplomats to leave Southern Turkey [Post edited 9 Mar 13:50]
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 15:04 - Mar 12 with 463 views | DJR |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:57 - Mar 12 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Not an attack on what he’s saying - totally agree, but it does seem ironic coming from a key part of a government that bombed the hell out of the region:
https://www.unicef.org/iraq/pr
The children killed in the US attack could be just the start of this is a prolonged conflict. As well as the children killed by Iran in the protests, there’s also the horrific recruitment of child combatants into their proxies Hezbollah and the Houthi’s.
I’m glad we’ve stayed out of this horror show. |
You could say that, and I did think it myself, but it doesn't detract from what he says.
And your last paragraph is spot on. Maybe it's the lawyer in Starmer or Lord Harmer, or both, that has meant that we didn't follow the US blindly as we did in Iraq.
Having studied international law at university 45 years ago, I've always been a fan. And to me it is shocking that Israel and the US no longer even go through the motions. [Post edited 12 Mar 15:12]
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 18:20 - Mar 12 with 346 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 13:50 - Mar 10 by pointofblue |
Regarding the puppeteer trope I think it's ridiculous to suggest America are acting just because Israel are telling them to. That is not Trump. If he doesn't want to do something he won't do it. Maybe Israel took the lead on it, but the administration was and is fully behind the action. |
It’s more a case of the pair of them being hand in glove rather than Israel in the shadows manipulating the US as per the trope (doesn’t matter who’s the hand or glove). It was reported at the time that the US were caught off guard by Israel and followed their lead, so it Israel were the initiating force and the US following. Lead/follow, follow/lead, it doesn’t matter to those having bombs dropped on their heads. And yes, I’m sure the US administration are more than willing. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:21 - Mar 12 with 346 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 13:50 - Mar 10 by pointofblue |
Regarding the puppeteer trope I think it's ridiculous to suggest America are acting just because Israel are telling them to. That is not Trump. If he doesn't want to do something he won't do it. Maybe Israel took the lead on it, but the administration was and is fully behind the action. |
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:25 - Mar 17 with 158 views | StokieBlue |
This debate focused a lot of language and the definition of historical tropes. The resignation statement from the top US counter terrorist advisor (Joseph Kent) pretty much seems to confirm what was said and what was seen as a trope.
SB
"After much reflection, I have decided to resign from my position as Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, effective today.
I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran. Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby.
I support the values and the foreign policies that you campaigned on in 2016, 2020, 2024, which you enacted in your first term. Until June of 2025, you understood that the wars in the Middle East were a trap that robbed America of the precious lives of our patriots and depleted the wealth and prosperity of our nation.
In your first administration, you understood better than any modern President how to decisively apply military power without getting us drawn into never-ending wars. You demonstrated this by killing Qasem Soleimani and by defeating ISIS.
Early in this administration, high-ranking Israeli officials and influential members of the American media deployed a misinformation campaign that wholly undermined your America First platform and sowed pro-war sentiments to encourage a war with Iran. This echo chamber was used to deceive you into believing that Iran posed an imminent threat to the United States, and that should you strike now, there was a clear path to a swift victory. This was a lie and is the same tactic the Israelis used to draw us into the disastrous Iraq war that cost our nation the lives of thousands of our best men and women. We cannot make this mistake again.
As a veteran who deployed to combat 11 times and as a Gold Star husband who lost my beloved wife Shannon in a war manufactured by Israel, I cannot support sending the next generation off to fight and die in a war that serves no benefit to the American people nor justifies the cost of American lives.
I pray that you will reflect upon what we are doing in Iran, and who we are doing it for. The time for bold action is now. You can reverse course and chart a new path for our nation, or you can allow us to slip further toward decline and chaos. You hold the cards.
It was an honor to serve in your administration and to serve our great nation." [Post edited 17 Mar 14:33]
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