| Al Quds protest march 08:11 - Mar 11 with 2578 views | Crawfordsboot |
Should it be banned and if so how does that reconcile with the right to protest? |  | | |  |
| Al Quds protest march on 08:44 - Mar 12 with 791 views | DJR |
| Al Quds protest march on 08:34 - Mar 12 by Churchman |
You are right. Whilst the right to protest is a fundamental liberty here, there is a limit. Supporting a regime like that breeches that limit in my view. Ban.
In all the hatred of Trump and his bizarre actions, I think it’s forgotten just how appalling the Iran regime is. None of our business? Well, given Glasgow’s point about the number of actions prevented by the security services, I’d say it is our business. |
But there is no power to ban it for that reason, and it is being banned on the basis of a risk of serious public disorder.
For what it is worth, I did wonder if banning it on national security grounds might be an option under the emergency powers provisions of the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 but I am not sure we are actually at war with Iran, and I don't suppose the government would want to go down that route. Such powers were used during WW2, for example, to intern German citizens.
But I am certainly not suggesting that ordinary powers to ban protests should be extended, even though many of a more authoritarian bent might support it. [Post edited 12 Mar 8:57]
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| Al Quds protest march on 08:49 - Mar 12 with 778 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Al Quds protest march on 21:45 - Mar 11 by Crawfordsboot |
Would you say the same if we change the word “Palestinian replacing it with Israeli or the USA? |
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| Al Quds protest march on 08:54 - Mar 12 with 753 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Al Quds protest march on 21:49 - Mar 11 by GlasgowBlue |
There are pro Palestine marches up and down the country every weekend. No one objects to them going ahead. A Quds is far more than a pro Palestine march, as you well know. |
I was simply responding to Radlett saying “ But banning a pro-Palestinian march in Britain is OK with me | | | |
| Al Quds protest march on 08:58 - Mar 12 with 732 views | Benters |
| Al Quds protest march on 08:19 - Mar 12 by BloomBlue |
In the same way we banned football fans travelling to the UK because they were Jewish and hid behind a lie of it was a danger to local residents.
The Met police have followed the West Midlands police route and banned it for potential violence.
People in London have a right to go about their lives without the threat of violence and protesters rights shouldn't supersede that right.
I never understand this passion people have that protesters rights supersede all other rights.
This group is pro Iran, I don't see why it should be allowed in this situation with the Iran war. Makes me laugh a lot of people are complaining about it, are the same who said WM police with correct in banning Jewish football fans travelling because of 'potential violence' |
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| Al Quds protest march on 09:47 - Mar 12 with 657 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Al Quds protest march on 08:38 - Mar 12 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
And not to mention it’s a real kick in the teeth to the 10’s thousands of Iranians who’ve fled the regime and claimed asylum and safety in the UK. |
As I said on another thread, because of people's hatred of Trump and Israel, the Iranian diaspora who in the main are opposed to the theocracy are seen as an inconvenience. [Post edited 12 Mar 9:50]
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| Al Quds protest march on 09:49 - Mar 12 with 652 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Al Quds protest march on 08:44 - Mar 12 by DJR |
But there is no power to ban it for that reason, and it is being banned on the basis of a risk of serious public disorder.
For what it is worth, I did wonder if banning it on national security grounds might be an option under the emergency powers provisions of the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 but I am not sure we are actually at war with Iran, and I don't suppose the government would want to go down that route. Such powers were used during WW2, for example, to intern German citizens.
But I am certainly not suggesting that ordinary powers to ban protests should be extended, even though many of a more authoritarian bent might support it. [Post edited 12 Mar 8:57]
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A proposed Ukip march in Whitechapel was banned for the same reason.
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| Al Quds protest march on 11:19 - Mar 12 with 596 views | DJR |
Yes, I realise that marches can be banned on the grounds of the risk of serious public disorder but that wasn't the point I was making.
The point I was making (perhaps badly) is that there is no power to ban (as some have suggested) a march because of the views of the participants. And in my view nor should there be, primarily as a matter of principle but also because they could be abused were, say, Farage to come to power.
I also wondered if there might be an alternative approach given that during a state of war (or perhaps effective state of war in this case) there is justification in certain circumstances for limiting ordinary civil liberties, and certainly in relation to an enemy. It is also for consideration how Sarah Sackman's desire to ban the march might have been given effect to if there were not found to be a risk of serious public disorder.
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| Al Quds protest march on 14:43 - Mar 12 with 523 views | carlisleaway |
Just one small question, do we ever see British people marching in other countries |  | | |
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| Al Quds protest march on 15:19 - Mar 12 with 461 views | Churchman |
| Al Quds protest march on 08:44 - Mar 12 by DJR |
But there is no power to ban it for that reason, and it is being banned on the basis of a risk of serious public disorder.
For what it is worth, I did wonder if banning it on national security grounds might be an option under the emergency powers provisions of the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 but I am not sure we are actually at war with Iran, and I don't suppose the government would want to go down that route. Such powers were used during WW2, for example, to intern German citizens.
But I am certainly not suggesting that ordinary powers to ban protests should be extended, even though many of a more authoritarian bent might support it. [Post edited 12 Mar 8:57]
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We might not be at war with Iran (and have nothing left to prosecute one anyway), but they are at war with us so I don’t see why the Civil Contingencies Act cannot be used. |  | | |
| Al Quds protest march on 15:55 - Mar 12 with 392 views | DJR |
| Al Quds protest march on 15:19 - Mar 12 by Churchman |
We might not be at war with Iran (and have nothing left to prosecute one anyway), but they are at war with us so I don’t see why the Civil Contingencies Act cannot be used. |
And I personally wouldn't have had an issue with that. Not that I have an issue with what has been done, if indeed there is a risk of serious public disorder. [Post edited 12 Mar 15:58]
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| Al Quds protest march on 09:58 - Mar 15 with 175 views | DJR |
I hadn't properly appreciated that this is the case.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk
"About 12,000 people are expected to take part in the annual al-Quds Day rally, an international demonstration of support for Palestinian rights. The event takes its name from the Arabic version of Jerusalem and was created by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini after Iran’s 1979 revolution.
This year, the home secretary, Shabana Mahmood, has banned protesters from marching through London. Instead, they are expected to be restricted to a two-hour static demonstration on the south bank of the Thames between 1pm and 3pm.
A number of counter-protests have been planned and will take place on the north bank of the river. These demonstrators will also be banned from marching."
This seems to me a good compromise in terms of free speech and the right to protest. And an Iranian refugee on the Radio 4 religious programme Sunday said that whilst he didn't like the views that might be expressed, the difference between Iran and the UK is that the latter allows free speech, including views that many might find distasteful. [Post edited 15 Mar 10:07]
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| Al Quds protest march on 10:42 - Mar 15 with 141 views | brazil1982 |
| Al Quds protest march on 09:58 - Mar 15 by DJR |
I hadn't properly appreciated that this is the case.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk
"About 12,000 people are expected to take part in the annual al-Quds Day rally, an international demonstration of support for Palestinian rights. The event takes its name from the Arabic version of Jerusalem and was created by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini after Iran’s 1979 revolution.
This year, the home secretary, Shabana Mahmood, has banned protesters from marching through London. Instead, they are expected to be restricted to a two-hour static demonstration on the south bank of the Thames between 1pm and 3pm.
A number of counter-protests have been planned and will take place on the north bank of the river. These demonstrators will also be banned from marching."
This seems to me a good compromise in terms of free speech and the right to protest. And an Iranian refugee on the Radio 4 religious programme Sunday said that whilst he didn't like the views that might be expressed, the difference between Iran and the UK is that the latter allows free speech, including views that many might find distasteful. [Post edited 15 Mar 10:07]
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Despite what view The Guardian might like to push, this is not a day of support for Palestine. If you have had the displeasure of witnessing this event, I'm sure you would agree it has no place in our society.
"The march became a space where anti-Semitic rhetoric appeared in public with such confidence it was then no surprise that the post October 7th hate marches would become so casually accepted, too. Each year the same scenes returned: Hezbollah banners, chants celebrating the ‘resistance’, speakers denouncing Zionism as an open expression of hostility towards Jews." - Jonathan Sacerdoti. |  | | |
| Al Quds protest march on 11:32 - Mar 15 with 111 views | DJR |
| Al Quds protest march on 10:42 - Mar 15 by brazil1982 |
Despite what view The Guardian might like to push, this is not a day of support for Palestine. If you have had the displeasure of witnessing this event, I'm sure you would agree it has no place in our society.
"The march became a space where anti-Semitic rhetoric appeared in public with such confidence it was then no surprise that the post October 7th hate marches would become so casually accepted, too. Each year the same scenes returned: Hezbollah banners, chants celebrating the ‘resistance’, speakers denouncing Zionism as an open expression of hostility towards Jews." - Jonathan Sacerdoti. |
To be honest, I'd never heard of the Al Quds march until recently, and it is not clear to me that the Guardian's article is pushing any sort of view.
As it is, there appears to be no powers to ban such protests apart from where there is a risk of serious public order, and as someone who believes in free speech and the right to protest (with consequences if the law is broken as the police have warned in this case) I am not convinced that the law should be extended to allow the banning of protests due to the views that protesters have. Therein in lies a slippery slope in my view. [Post edited 15 Mar 11:43]
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| Al Quds protest march on 13:08 - Mar 15 with 76 views | GlasgowBlue |
"Roll up, roll up. Get your terrorist merch here".
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