| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel 14:21 - Mar 17 with 6604 views | ElderGrizzly |
And threw Trump’s admin under the bus, saying Iran posed no immediate threat and they went to war due to pressure from Israel
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 07:00 - Mar 19 with 1096 views | ElderGrizzly |
Trump has now lost control of Israel.
Senior sources on Israeli and Trump’s side said Trump’s admin knew.
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 07:24 - Mar 19 with 1047 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 07:00 - Mar 19 by ElderGrizzly |
Trump has now lost control of Israel.
Senior sources on Israeli and Trump’s side said Trump’s admin knew.
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Hang on. I thought you said Israel was controlling Trump? You were very specific on that. Make up your mind. |  |
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 07:41 - Mar 19 with 1015 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 07:24 - Mar 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Hang on. I thought you said Israel was controlling Trump? You were very specific on that. Make up your mind. |
It’s quite clear the US and Israel have different objectives so I think this sort of tension will continue. The US has mainly been attacking state appstatus and security forces to try and instigate regime change. Israel on the other hand have been attacking energy infrastructure to try and cripple the country economically. My guess is the US want to shoehorn a ‘friendly’ leader, whereas Israel want to impoverish Iran to weaken their main regional threat.
With Iran therefore firing back at energy infrastructure in the Gulf they risk drawing in the Gulf states for a wider regional war. Targeting oil and gas facilities in Iraq, Bahrain, Saudi, Qatar means that Iran are aiming for economic harm to the the US (and wider world), which will of course massively backfire on the Trump administration domestically if they can’t keep commodity prices down. Polling already suggests this is a widely unpopular war back in the US. |  | | |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 08:16 - Mar 19 with 927 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 07:41 - Mar 19 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s quite clear the US and Israel have different objectives so I think this sort of tension will continue. The US has mainly been attacking state appstatus and security forces to try and instigate regime change. Israel on the other hand have been attacking energy infrastructure to try and cripple the country economically. My guess is the US want to shoehorn a ‘friendly’ leader, whereas Israel want to impoverish Iran to weaken their main regional threat.
With Iran therefore firing back at energy infrastructure in the Gulf they risk drawing in the Gulf states for a wider regional war. Targeting oil and gas facilities in Iraq, Bahrain, Saudi, Qatar means that Iran are aiming for economic harm to the the US (and wider world), which will of course massively backfire on the Trump administration domestically if they can’t keep commodity prices down. Polling already suggests this is a widely unpopular war back in the US. |
Yes completely agree. Trump’s aim has always been regime change lite. A similar outcome to the one in Venezuela. In and out quickly. Whereas Israel is looking at the long game. Cripple Iran financially in order to cut off its funding to its terrorist proxies and the weaken it as a regional power.
Iran bombing the gulf states seems to be pushing them towards closer ties with Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ [Post edited 19 Mar 8:20]
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 08:56 - Mar 19 with 848 views | DJR |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 07:41 - Mar 19 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s quite clear the US and Israel have different objectives so I think this sort of tension will continue. The US has mainly been attacking state appstatus and security forces to try and instigate regime change. Israel on the other hand have been attacking energy infrastructure to try and cripple the country economically. My guess is the US want to shoehorn a ‘friendly’ leader, whereas Israel want to impoverish Iran to weaken their main regional threat.
With Iran therefore firing back at energy infrastructure in the Gulf they risk drawing in the Gulf states for a wider regional war. Targeting oil and gas facilities in Iraq, Bahrain, Saudi, Qatar means that Iran are aiming for economic harm to the the US (and wider world), which will of course massively backfire on the Trump administration domestically if they can’t keep commodity prices down. Polling already suggests this is a widely unpopular war back in the US. |
When it comes to the US, I always thought regime change was an excuse to justify the war, and, so far as I am aware, has barely been mentioned since. And I read somewhere recently that Israeli intelligence did not think regime change likely, even though Nethanyahu and Katz have been talking this up recently. And I agree with your assessment that Israel just wants to inflict as much damage (both militarily and economically) on Iran as it can. I even saw it reported that Israel would be happy if Iran turned into a failed state.
https://apnews.com/article/ira
"Pre-war US intel assessment found intervention in Iran wasn’t likely to change leadership "
Finally, it is tragic that we have as the leaders of two so-called liberal democracies people who don't care about the consequence of their actions for the rest of the world, including other western nations. [Post edited 19 Mar 9:46]
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 10:32 - Mar 19 with 774 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 08:56 - Mar 19 by DJR |
When it comes to the US, I always thought regime change was an excuse to justify the war, and, so far as I am aware, has barely been mentioned since. And I read somewhere recently that Israeli intelligence did not think regime change likely, even though Nethanyahu and Katz have been talking this up recently. And I agree with your assessment that Israel just wants to inflict as much damage (both militarily and economically) on Iran as it can. I even saw it reported that Israel would be happy if Iran turned into a failed state.
https://apnews.com/article/ira
"Pre-war US intel assessment found intervention in Iran wasn’t likely to change leadership "
Finally, it is tragic that we have as the leaders of two so-called liberal democracies people who don't care about the consequence of their actions for the rest of the world, including other western nations. [Post edited 19 Mar 9:46]
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When I say regime change - I think it would be optically only, taking out key figures as per Venezuela. (I agree most analysts opinion was that full scale regime change was unlikely through air strikes only). There is a chance that the longer it goes on we’ll see Iranians uprising, food shortages and skyrocketing prices were the catalyst for the most recent protests. There’s talk of a US assault or siege of Kharg Island which would cripple Iran’s oil exports without destroying the infrastructure, with most of their funding cut off the Iranian regime would struggle to keep order.
Fully agree with your last paragraph, and having destroyed their relationship with much of Europe, it’s ironic that they are now asking for naval assistance in keeping shipping moving. I said before Trump took power they needed NATO to help protect US and western interests globally, as powerful as the US military is, it needs allies. Totally short sighted and reactionary, as with much of the stuff the US administration has done. | | | |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 10:54 - Mar 19 with 736 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 10:32 - Mar 19 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
When I say regime change - I think it would be optically only, taking out key figures as per Venezuela. (I agree most analysts opinion was that full scale regime change was unlikely through air strikes only). There is a chance that the longer it goes on we’ll see Iranians uprising, food shortages and skyrocketing prices were the catalyst for the most recent protests. There’s talk of a US assault or siege of Kharg Island which would cripple Iran’s oil exports without destroying the infrastructure, with most of their funding cut off the Iranian regime would struggle to keep order.
Fully agree with your last paragraph, and having destroyed their relationship with much of Europe, it’s ironic that they are now asking for naval assistance in keeping shipping moving. I said before Trump took power they needed NATO to help protect US and western interests globally, as powerful as the US military is, it needs allies. Totally short sighted and reactionary, as with much of the stuff the US administration has done. |
Short sighted and reactionary. But with petrol prices rising and the possibility of an oil shortage, how long can the western allies stay out? | |
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 11:03 - Mar 19 with 724 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 10:54 - Mar 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Short sighted and reactionary. But with petrol prices rising and the possibility of an oil shortage, how long can the western allies stay out? |
I’d say there’s more of a risk of gas shortages, but the US is pretty much self sufficient in oil, and actually will benefit from the price rises since it’s typically more expensive to exploit domestically (as well as being able to replace other markets like they did with Russia). The price rises will of course feed inflation, and if the Fed needs to start putting up interest rates later in the year, they’ll struggle to blame Biden for that!
Personally I can’t see other western nations wanted to get involved given the amount of resources needed for Russia. More likely we’ll see some of the Gulf states intervening. But hopefully this can end soon, what a mess. | | | |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 11:24 - Mar 19 with 696 views | DJR |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 10:54 - Mar 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Short sighted and reactionary. But with petrol prices rising and the possibility of an oil shortage, how long can the western allies stay out? |
Assuming you are not talking about western allies taking part in the war on Iran, I heard it said on the World Service or Radio 4 (I can't remember which) that it is too dangerous for naval vessels to get involved in the Straits of Hormuz, which is no doubt why Trump wants other to do it.
After all, it's not like the position with respect to the Houthis a year or so ago, who were nothing like the threat of Iran. [Post edited 19 Mar 11:28]
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:17 - Mar 19 with 631 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:44 - Mar 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Dan Sugarman called it. Kent live on Tucker Carlson tonight.
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So last night on Tucker Carlson, Kent goes full conspiracy mode.
“The last time I saw Charlie Kirk on this Earth was in June, in the West Wing.”
“He looked me in the eye and he said … Joe, stop us from getting into a war with Iran.”
“One of President Trump’s closest advisors was vocally advocating for us to not go to war with Iran and for us to rethink, at least, our relationship with the Israelis.”
“And then he’s suddenly publicly assassinated and we’re not allowed to ask any questions about that?”
“The investigation that I was a part of [with] the National Counterterrorism Center, we were stopped from continuing to investigate.”
“But there was still a lot for us to look into that I can’t really get into.”
“There’s unanswered questions.”
“We know, because of the text messages that have been made public, that Charlie was under a lot of pressure from a lot of pro-Israel donors.” | |
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:21 - Mar 19 with 620 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 11:24 - Mar 19 by DJR |
Assuming you are not talking about western allies taking part in the war on Iran, I heard it said on the World Service or Radio 4 (I can't remember which) that it is too dangerous for naval vessels to get involved in the Straits of Hormuz, which is no doubt why Trump wants other to do it.
After all, it's not like the position with respect to the Houthis a year or so ago, who were nothing like the threat of Iran. [Post edited 19 Mar 11:28]
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Looks like we should stock up on petrol
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:23 - Mar 19 with 617 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 07:24 - Mar 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Hang on. I thought you said Israel was controlling Trump? You were very specific on that. Make up your mind. |
It was their attack. They asked him to 'approve' it, but were doing it anyway.
That feels like control to me. | | | |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:26 - Mar 19 with 606 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:17 - Mar 19 by GlasgowBlue |
So last night on Tucker Carlson, Kent goes full conspiracy mode.
“The last time I saw Charlie Kirk on this Earth was in June, in the West Wing.”
“He looked me in the eye and he said … Joe, stop us from getting into a war with Iran.”
“One of President Trump’s closest advisors was vocally advocating for us to not go to war with Iran and for us to rethink, at least, our relationship with the Israelis.”
“And then he’s suddenly publicly assassinated and we’re not allowed to ask any questions about that?”
“The investigation that I was a part of [with] the National Counterterrorism Center, we were stopped from continuing to investigate.”
“But there was still a lot for us to look into that I can’t really get into.”
“There’s unanswered questions.”
“We know, because of the text messages that have been made public, that Charlie was under a lot of pressure from a lot of pro-Israel donors.” |
We've already established he held extremist views. It's why Trump appointed him.
Importantly, his boss confirmed the facts/intelligence (or lack of) yesterday under oath in the Senate committee.
His crazy is what it is and are views held throughout MAGA, but his facts on the issues in Iran/Israel conflict are being backed up under oath. | | | |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:31 - Mar 19 with 588 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:23 - Mar 19 by ElderGrizzly |
It was their attack. They asked him to 'approve' it, but were doing it anyway.
That feels like control to me. |
That is a long way from your original premise about "puppeteers" and "pulling strings".
It's as if you are making it up as you go along. | |
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:35 - Mar 19 with 584 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:21 - Mar 19 by ElderGrizzly |
Looks like we should stock up on petrol
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Not really a change in what they’ve been doing, only Saudi have said they’ll also attack Iran if they continue to target their energy infrastructure. Even their proxies Hamas have told Iran to stop targeting their neighbouring states so they risk alienating their allies as well. | | | |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:49 - Mar 19 with 555 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:31 - Mar 19 by GlasgowBlue |
That is a long way from your original premise about "puppeteers" and "pulling strings".
It's as if you are making it up as you go along. |
Not at all. You are conflating two issues for your own benefit.
Rubio admitted Israel had 'pulled' USA into the war.
There is evidence of Lindsey Graham going to Israel 3 times in February to discuss the war and to take 'talking points' back to Trump to convince him to attack Iran. The Israeli's admitted that. Graham even admitted to it (partially) | | | |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 13:37 - Mar 19 with 472 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 12:35 - Mar 19 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Not really a change in what they’ve been doing, only Saudi have said they’ll also attack Iran if they continue to target their energy infrastructure. Even their proxies Hamas have told Iran to stop targeting their neighbouring states so they risk alienating their allies as well. |
Indeed. So far Iran have attacked:
- Ras Laffan LNG complex in Qatar
- Ras Tanura oil refinery in Saudi
- hundreds of drone attacks on Saudi oil fields
- Ruwais refinery in Abu Dhabi
- Shah gas field in Abu Dhabi
- port of Fujairah
- Bapco oil refinery in Bahrain
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 14:03 - Mar 19 with 420 views | StokieBlue |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 13:37 - Mar 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Indeed. So far Iran have attacked:
- Ras Laffan LNG complex in Qatar
- Ras Tanura oil refinery in Saudi
- hundreds of drone attacks on Saudi oil fields
- Ruwais refinery in Abu Dhabi
- Shah gas field in Abu Dhabi
- port of Fujairah
- Bapco oil refinery in Bahrain
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What's the point in that last line GB?
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 14:51 - Mar 19 with 327 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 14:03 - Mar 19 by StokieBlue |
What's the point in that last line GB?
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A shorter and more salient question is"What's the point of GB?" |  | | |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 15:20 - Mar 19 with 262 views | Dubtractor |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 13:37 - Mar 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Indeed. So far Iran have attacked:
- Ras Laffan LNG complex in Qatar
- Ras Tanura oil refinery in Saudi
- hundreds of drone attacks on Saudi oil fields
- Ruwais refinery in Abu Dhabi
- Shah gas field in Abu Dhabi
- port of Fujairah
- Bapco oil refinery in Bahrain
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That last bit is a fairly shit thing to post. |  |
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 15:32 - Mar 19 with 213 views | Bigalhunter |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 15:20 - Mar 19 by Dubtractor |
That last bit is a fairly shit thing to post. |
Disgusting actually, but no surprise whatsoever.
This tiresome m.o. of baiting and chucking accusations around like confetti has gradually and predictably ramped back up to the sickening levels many of us witnessed about a year ago before his enforced sabbatical. |  |
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 15:57 - Mar 19 with 182 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 15:20 - Mar 19 by Dubtractor |
That last bit is a fairly shit thing to post. |
I don't believe so. But I'm happy to delete if people think it was.
The point I was making is those deaths were not commented on here. Had they come from an Israeli missile, then they most certainly would have been. | |
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| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 16:06 - Mar 19 with 160 views | Blueschev |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 15:57 - Mar 19 by GlasgowBlue |
I don't believe so. But I'm happy to delete if people think it was.
The point I was making is those deaths were not commented on here. Had they come from an Israeli missile, then they most certainly would have been. |
There have been many Palestinians killed by Israeli missiles since the so called ceasefire that have not been mentioned on here. Not in great taste to use the deaths of innocent people to score points. |  | | |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 16:56 - Mar 19 with 91 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Trump’s Director of Counter Terrorism just resigned, blamed Israel on 16:06 - Mar 19 by Blueschev |
There have been many Palestinians killed by Israeli missiles since the so called ceasefire that have not been mentioned on here. Not in great taste to use the deaths of innocent people to score points. |
Fair point. I get that. Have deleted. | |
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