| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... 18:09 - Apr 20 with 2741 views | Keno |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 11:09 - Apr 21 with 213 views | giant_stow |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 11:07 - Apr 21 by lowhouseblue |
sadly, that's mainly true because most people have already made their mind up about starmer. |
I reckon I'm one of those people, but would appreciate the case for the defense if you have time / inclination? ... ready to be persuaded... [Post edited 21 Apr 11:13]
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:03 - Apr 21 with 136 views | jasondozzell |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 11:07 - Apr 21 by lowhouseblue |
sadly, that's mainly true because most people have already made their mind up about starmer. |
He's more dishonest than Boris.
The sensible centrists backed a duff project that was corrupt and rotten to the core.
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:03 - Apr 21 with 132 views | lowhouseblue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 11:09 - Apr 21 by giant_stow |
I reckon I'm one of those people, but would appreciate the case for the defense if you have time / inclination? ... ready to be persuaded... [Post edited 21 Apr 11:13]
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i'm not sure it's a case for the defence - more a matter of extenuating circumstances.
people always claim to be fed up with politicians and to want people who are above politics instead. well starmer is as close as we've got to that. he isn't ideological, he's entirely pragmatic, and if he were a permanent secretary he'd be very good at it. but he has none of the political skills you need to manage a party, keep back benchers inline, or provide real political leadership. he can't push through an agenda with the plp, despite the landslide majority, and he can't manage his own team at no. 10. he seems to lack an instinct for political risks and how to side step them. sadly, politically he is inept.
but, the constraints he faces are pretty extreme. there is next to no economic wriggle room, and the gamble on growth hasn't yet come good. his chancellor hasn't helped. he is facing a widening realisation that our state is sclerotic and is imposing a huge dead weight cost - but has no party consensus on, and offers not much leadership on, how to respond to that. there are tough choices to be made, which is when you need political leadership, and that isn't starmer's thing. and starmer's background makes him pretty ill placed to think in novel ways about how to reform the state.
it's all pretty depressing. [Post edited 21 Apr 12:08]
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:06 - Apr 21 with 122 views | lowhouseblue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:03 - Apr 21 by jasondozzell |
He's more dishonest than Boris.
The sensible centrists backed a duff project that was corrupt and rotten to the core.
Will they admit it? |
'more dishonest than boris' is just nonsense. you're just driven by hate because your lot failed utterly. you've got polanski and all the corbyn factions now so i'm sure one of them is saying exactly what you want to hear. [Post edited 21 Apr 12:08]
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:11 - Apr 21 with 109 views | jasondozzell |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:06 - Apr 21 by lowhouseblue |
'more dishonest than boris' is just nonsense. you're just driven by hate because your lot failed utterly. you've got polanski and all the corbyn factions now so i'm sure one of them is saying exactly what you want to hear. [Post edited 21 Apr 12:08]
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Riled, much?
Corbyn derangement syndrome. He's not been leader for 6 years.
Starmer is demonstrably more of a liar than Boris. [Post edited 21 Apr 12:12]
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:21 - Apr 21 with 90 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:11 - Apr 21 by jasondozzell |
Riled, much?
Corbyn derangement syndrome. He's not been leader for 6 years.
Starmer is demonstrably more of a liar than Boris. [Post edited 21 Apr 12:12]
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He was right. And when you use the same tactic as maga, claiming a derangement syndrome, it's time to review your position! |  |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:22 - Apr 21 with 88 views | DJR |
The knee-jerk sacking of Robbins is further evidence of a lack of judgment from Starmer.
This is what they released on Friday.
https://assets.publishing.serv
It contained the following passage.
"There is some discretion for departments to proceed with clearance and
the FCDO had exercised it in this case, granting Mandelson vetting clearance. Cat had not
seen the audit trail for this decision so we did not yet know on what basis the decision had been taken, contrary to the recommendation."
What I don't understand is why a lawyer would act precipitously in sacking Robbins without knowing the other side's case and the full facts?
And as well as damaging relations with the civil service, it also begs the question as to whether Starmer misled the House yesterday, and so will need to come back to correct the record, as someone on the radio suggested.
All Stamer needed to do was claim he was not aware of the vetting process,, as Robbins has now confirmed was the case. [Post edited 21 Apr 12:28]
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:26 - Apr 21 with 75 views | jasondozzell |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:21 - Apr 21 by redrickstuhaart |
He was right. And when you use the same tactic as maga, claiming a derangement syndrome, it's time to review your position! |
He was not right.
The centrists and the media brigade who colluded in all this just can't accept being wrong. It's breathtaking!
This is on all of you. There's no 'hard left' in the party to blame!
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:38 - Apr 21 with 38 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:26 - Apr 21 by jasondozzell |
He was not right.
The centrists and the media brigade who colluded in all this just can't accept being wrong. It's breathtaking!
This is on all of you. There's no 'hard left' in the party to blame!
Own it! |
He was. To compare with johnson is absurd. | |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:51 - Apr 21 with 15 views | giant_stow |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 12:03 - Apr 21 by lowhouseblue |
i'm not sure it's a case for the defence - more a matter of extenuating circumstances.
people always claim to be fed up with politicians and to want people who are above politics instead. well starmer is as close as we've got to that. he isn't ideological, he's entirely pragmatic, and if he were a permanent secretary he'd be very good at it. but he has none of the political skills you need to manage a party, keep back benchers inline, or provide real political leadership. he can't push through an agenda with the plp, despite the landslide majority, and he can't manage his own team at no. 10. he seems to lack an instinct for political risks and how to side step them. sadly, politically he is inept.
but, the constraints he faces are pretty extreme. there is next to no economic wriggle room, and the gamble on growth hasn't yet come good. his chancellor hasn't helped. he is facing a widening realisation that our state is sclerotic and is imposing a huge dead weight cost - but has no party consensus on, and offers not much leadership on, how to respond to that. there are tough choices to be made, which is when you need political leadership, and that isn't starmer's thing. and starmer's background makes him pretty ill placed to think in novel ways about how to reform the state.
it's all pretty depressing. [Post edited 21 Apr 12:08]
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Good post - interesting and fair points, ta, but even so, I think on integrity grounds alone, its all gone too far personally. | |
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