| Are the people… (politics warning) 08:11 - May 9 with 1858 views | chicoazul |
…saying Starmer should go because of the result also saying Wales and Scotland should be given full independence? |  |
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| Are the people… (politics warning) on 10:19 - May 9 with 541 views | Leaky |
I think Starmer should stay, as its likely his replacement will be a bloody site worse. |  | | |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 10:26 - May 9 with 516 views | WeWereZombies |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 09:44 - May 9 by Smoresy |
Is the case being made that Starmer has a moral or democratic duty to go because the people have spoken? A mandate for him to resign, if you will. I think the case is rather being made that he ought to go to spare the party a resounding defeat at the next election, or because he's disliked by various people for various reasons. "Must" because concerned parties see an existential crisis for the party.
In respect to independence, Wales have again returned majority unionist candidates to the Sennedd. Scotland's case is stronger because they returned majority independence candidates I believe, if Scottish Green still swings the way, but voter turnout only just inched north of 50% and the SNP didn't achieve 50% of the vote in any constituency, while the overall vote share again went to unionist candidates. So not a strong case to relitigate that one presently, either. |
Two distinct elements of the question of Starmer continuing in my opinion, The moral and democratic duty seems to be covered by 'members of the establishment' (for example, John Major's recent opinion that we should not change Prime Ministers too frequently) wanting Starmer to remain in post. The second element is who could replace him ? I'm for Andy Burnham but I sensed some resistance to that from some Scottish Labour members yesterday. Angela Rayner would be very popular with quite a few, and quite unpopular with a few others (like Corbyn I think she could tear away with a resounding support and then reach a ceiling where no new support was forthcoming, more resolute support than Starmer but no goodwill achievable elsewhere.)
I make you right on independence, the Nationalists will be at their noisiest now and be most resolute of all parties declared but there are a lot of quiet Scots who will not be dragged along by bravado. [Post edited 9 May 11:17]
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| Are the people… (politics warning) on 10:48 - May 9 with 477 views | DJR |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 10:26 - May 9 by WeWereZombies |
Two distinct elements of the question of Starmer continuing in my opinion, The moral and democratic duty seems to be covered by 'members of the establishment' (for example, John Major's recent opinion that we should not change Prime Ministers too frequently) wanting Starmer to remain in post. The second element is who could replace him ? I'm for Andy Burnham but I sensed some resistance to that from some Scottish Labour members yesterday. Angela Rayner would be very popular with quite a few, and quite unpopular with a few others (like Corbyn I think she could tear away with a resounding support and then reach a ceiling where no new support was forthcoming, more resolute support than Starmer but no goodwill achievable elsewhere.)
I make you right on independence, the Nationalists will be at their noisiest now and be most resolute of all parties declared but there are a lot of quiet Scots who will not be dragged along by bravado. [Post edited 9 May 11:17]
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One factor when it comes to independence that I don't ever see mentioned is the fact that 10% of the population was born in England or Wales, according to the last census.
I may be wrong but I imagine that not many of them will be pro-independence. And I assume the same will be true of Northern Ireland-born Protestants in Scotland. [Post edited 9 May 10:51]
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| Are the people… (politics warning) on 10:54 - May 9 with 458 views | chicoazul |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 10:01 - May 9 by Swansea_Blue |
Is it? It’s certainly a nationalist vote although more for UK nationalism I thought, but feck knows. It’ll be wherever the grift takes them.
There’s a thought provoking piece from economist Richard Murphy about this question - https://www.taxresearch.org.uk |
Of course it is. Scotland and Wales voted for independence parties. | |
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| Are the people… (politics warning) on 10:58 - May 9 with 441 views | chicoazul |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 10:48 - May 9 by DJR |
One factor when it comes to independence that I don't ever see mentioned is the fact that 10% of the population was born in England or Wales, according to the last census.
I may be wrong but I imagine that not many of them will be pro-independence. And I assume the same will be true of Northern Ireland-born Protestants in Scotland. [Post edited 9 May 10:51]
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Believe Norn Ireland is now pro unification according to the latest polls. | |
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| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:01 - May 9 with 436 views | chicoazul |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 09:20 - May 9 by Dubtractor |
Dunno about hilarious, but definitely messy. |
Yes messy is a much better word. | |
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| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:04 - May 9 with 419 views | WeWereZombies |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 10:54 - May 9 by chicoazul |
Of course it is. Scotland and Wales voted for independence parties. |
Some of Scotland and Wales voted for parties that favour independence. | |
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| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:05 - May 9 with 411 views | Ftnfwest |
Dunno, ask Dave |  | | |
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| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:09 - May 9 with 392 views | vapour_trail |
I don’t have strong opinions on whether Starmer should stay or go, but I think the union is in its end days.
It is a matter of time before Ireland is rightly reunified. I’d be surprised if the Scot’s passed up their next opportunity when the referendum comes around. The Welsh have certainly made a statement this week, whether that’s a one off or a step on a path, time will tell. |  |
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| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:09 - May 9 with 388 views | leitrimblue |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 10:58 - May 9 by chicoazul |
Believe Norn Ireland is now pro unification according to the latest polls. |
We're gonna need a while to build tent based holding facilities for swivel eyed Rangers fans prior to their removal back to the UK.
I'm sure all Restore supporters will approve of our tactics  |  | | |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:11 - May 9 with 383 views | chicoazul |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:04 - May 9 by WeWereZombies |
Some of Scotland and Wales voted for parties that favour independence. |
Parliamentary democracy. | |
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| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:16 - May 9 with 367 views | DJR |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:04 - May 9 by WeWereZombies |
Some of Scotland and Wales voted for parties that favour independence. |
On the other hand.
"The SNP’s Stephen Gethins said Scottish independence should be a priority for the party, saying 73 MSPs out of 129 elected on Thursday supported the move, PA reports.
The SNP won 58 seats while the Scottish Greens, which has long supported independence, won a record 15.
“We’ve got the biggest pro-independence majority that the parliament has ever had, the people have spoken and the weekend after an election is a good time for us all to reflect on that just a little bit,” Gethins said."
I suppose I've got a particular bias here because Scottish independence could lead to my getting an EU passport. | | | |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:24 - May 9 with 328 views | DJR |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:16 - May 9 by WeWereZombies |
Don't go making the assumption that Rangers fans will put up with tents, give them a few planks of wood and some nails and they will get enough houses built, probably a few bars and a dance hall too. And they will have an ace trad band playing in that hall. (This assertion is based in its entirety on The Criterion Bar in Stornoway.) [Post edited 9 May 11:17]
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Stornoway has bars selling alcohol!
Whatever next?
I say this as someone with a great grandfather who was in the Wee, Wee Frees. | | | |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:25 - May 9 with 315 views | leitrimblue |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:16 - May 9 by WeWereZombies |
Don't go making the assumption that Rangers fans will put up with tents, give them a few planks of wood and some nails and they will get enough houses built, probably a few bars and a dance hall too. And they will have an ace trad band playing in that hall. (This assertion is based in its entirety on The Criterion Bar in Stornoway.) [Post edited 9 May 11:17]
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There will be no houses, bars or dance halls in the holding facilities.
They will comply with basic humanitarian standards ( shelter, sanitation, medical triage) but will be deliberately austere and designed for short term containment.
#inspired by Restore | | | |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:28 - May 9 with 299 views | WeWereZombies |
| Are the people… (politics warning) on 11:25 - May 9 by leitrimblue |
There will be no houses, bars or dance halls in the holding facilities.
They will comply with basic humanitarian standards ( shelter, sanitation, medical triage) but will be deliberately austere and designed for short term containment.
#inspired by Restore |
Excellent, Rangers fans can appeal to Il Pape for clemency..,. | |
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| Are the people… (politics warning) on 17:31 - May 9 with 230 views | DJR |
I thought this was good from John Swinney, and not something you ever hear from Starmer.
Nigel Farage’s Reform Party have won seats in the Scottish Parliament.
While I obviously recognise that some people in Scotland support Reform, there is no doubt that many of our fellow Scots will today be feeling very unsettled by the prospect of a party taking seats in the Scottish Parliament which holds such hostility to minority groups in our country.
So, I want to reaffirm today the commitment I made when I took office.
I will build a Scotland where everyone feels seen, where everyone feels at home and where everyone is able to contribute to Scotland’s story.
I believe that the vast majority of MSPs in this new parliament share that aspiration. So, my immediate commitment, as I promised during the campaign, is to ensure that Nigel Farage and Reform are locked out of governance in Scotland.
I will be engaging in talks with other opposition parties in the coming days to ensure that this happens and that there can be a stable and inclusive approach to governance. | | | |
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