| Starmer clearly wants to go back 13:28 - May 11 with 2276 views | onceablue |
Into the European Union
He needs to call another referendum if this is possible.
He can’t decide that is what he thinks is best for the country and just do it
Shows the arrogance of the man and I voted to remain but it was the will of the people to leave.
Beginning to realise that he now believes he is the almighty himself
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:20 - May 11 with 545 views | grow_our_own |
We need to rejoin asap. If things stay as they are, it'll be touch and go whether Labour will beat Reform in 2029. But if Tories and Reform merge, Labour will have no chance whatsoever. In that case, I can envisage them rolling the dice and putting rejoin in the manifesto. For years, polls have had rejoin at a consistent lead of 15-23% over stay-out. Most of those people will probably be willing to vote Labour purely on that manifesto promise.
Must skewer the freedom of movement falacy. Many think it means the whole of the EU's poor are eligible to come to the UK and start claiming benefits. In fact, there's no such thing as FoM. It doesn't exist. There is only Freedom of Movement of Workers. No job, and immigrants are ineligible for benefits unless they've significant work history in UK.
Customs Union and/or Single Market are non-voting rejoin, and no substitute for the real thing. If we're going to follow the rules, then we need a seat at the table. As the second most populous country, we'll have the second biggest influence on shaping EU rules. [Post edited 11 May 16:47]
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:35 - May 11 with 498 views | Jammstar |
It would probably be Labours best shot going into the next general election.
Over the next few years Starmer/Labour PM #2/3/4 will bring us closer to the EU e.g. deals for young people, aligning with EU trade rules etc, and then the big manifesto pledge will be to rejoin, in some form, the EU
The biggest problem with this Labour government has been working out what their agenda actually is. They were elected in 2024 by not being the Tories, not because they had a big manifesto of changes that excited the public at large. Having a big "Rejoin the EU" banner to march behind going into the next general election draws votes from the left and centre. No referendum needed then either - the general election will be the referendum. | | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:37 - May 11 with 493 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:21 - May 11 by leitrimblue |
That's more like it, good solid vest, full compliment of cheap tats. A man worth voting for at last |
Hmm, I’m not convinced unless he also gets the bum flare |  |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:44 - May 11 with 480 views | onceablue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:15 - May 11 by The_Major |
It wasn't the will of the people.
It was the will of 37% of the people. And yes, that translated into a majority of those who voted. Ten years ago. And of that 37% a lot will have changed their minds given the utter disaster it has been, and given the demographic make up of a large proportion of the leave vote, unfortunately many will no longer be with us.
There wasn't (unfortunately) a mention of single markets or customs unions in the speech this morning, let alone the prospect of rejoining fully. |
And it was the will of 32% of the population for a labour government | | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:48 - May 11 with 465 views | chicoazul |
I agree with all this Opie apart from the stupid final sentence.
Promising another referendum if they win may be the only way to a majority next time. |  |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:55 - May 11 with 446 views | leitrimblue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:37 - May 11 by Swansea_Blue |
Hmm, I’m not convinced unless he also gets the bum flare |
To be honest the lack of a bum flare is a tad worrying and would suggest he's only willing to take his patriotism so far. Sell out |  | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 16:06 - May 11 with 432 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:20 - May 11 by grow_our_own |
We need to rejoin asap. If things stay as they are, it'll be touch and go whether Labour will beat Reform in 2029. But if Tories and Reform merge, Labour will have no chance whatsoever. In that case, I can envisage them rolling the dice and putting rejoin in the manifesto. For years, polls have had rejoin at a consistent lead of 15-23% over stay-out. Most of those people will probably be willing to vote Labour purely on that manifesto promise.
Must skewer the freedom of movement falacy. Many think it means the whole of the EU's poor are eligible to come to the UK and start claiming benefits. In fact, there's no such thing as FoM. It doesn't exist. There is only Freedom of Movement of Workers. No job, and immigrants are ineligible for benefits unless they've significant work history in UK.
Customs Union and/or Single Market are non-voting rejoin, and no substitute for the real thing. If we're going to follow the rules, then we need a seat at the table. As the second most populous country, we'll have the second biggest influence on shaping EU rules. [Post edited 11 May 16:47]
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It’s nuts to think we’re talking about timescales of rejoining when if Reform do win the next GE they’ll take us out of the ECHR (to make us the third European non-member alongside Russia and Belarus). Who wants to be protected against torture and a justice system underpinned by the right to a free trial anyway! | |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 16:12 - May 11 with 420 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 16:06 - May 11 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s nuts to think we’re talking about timescales of rejoining when if Reform do win the next GE they’ll take us out of the ECHR (to make us the third European non-member alongside Russia and Belarus). Who wants to be protected against torture and a justice system underpinned by the right to a free trial anyway! |
Well he’s already doing away with some jury trials, so are half way there! This is the most authoritarian government of my lifetime.
Another referendum would be a disaster several years more uncertainty for busineees and the economy (even if it was to rejoin but we know how reliable polls are from last time). Just go for a Swiss style deal with a load of bilateral agreements, I.e single market access by the back door, literally no downside. | | | |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 16:15 - May 11 with 412 views | The_Major |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:44 - May 11 by onceablue |
And it was the will of 32% of the population for a labour government |
With respect, no it wasn't. Turnout was 60%.
Therefore Labour were voted in by 20% or so of the eligible voting population. But there will be an opportunity to vote again in the future. And some people who voted one way will vote a different way next time.
And whilst it's not advisable to have a Brexit type refendum every couple of years, there is going to come a point where this country is going to have to grow up and admit we made a mistake, and put the question out there again.
There's no point having a mind if you're not willing to change it after being presented with new evidence. |  | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 16:21 - May 11 with 394 views | Leaky |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:15 - May 11 by The_Major |
It wasn't the will of the people.
It was the will of 37% of the people. And yes, that translated into a majority of those who voted. Ten years ago. And of that 37% a lot will have changed their minds given the utter disaster it has been, and given the demographic make up of a large proportion of the leave vote, unfortunately many will no longer be with us.
There wasn't (unfortunately) a mention of single markets or customs unions in the speech this morning, let alone the prospect of rejoining fully. |
I feel there should have been a Europe wide vote on transitioning from the common market too the EU. Why we couldn't just stick to trading block god only knows. Guess bureaucrats just love a bureaucracy, more cushy jobs for the guys & girls. |  | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 17:03 - May 11 with 333 views | eireblue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 16:21 - May 11 by Leaky |
I feel there should have been a Europe wide vote on transitioning from the common market too the EU. Why we couldn't just stick to trading block god only knows. Guess bureaucrats just love a bureaucracy, more cushy jobs for the guys & girls. |
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