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Having VAR is embarassing 13:48 - May 17 with 1216 viewsFrimleyBlue

Changed the OP title as I was wrong with what can and can't be done by the VAR people.

But what 5 minutes to get to that decision?!
[Post edited 17 May 13:58]

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Var embarrassing again (n/t) on 17:15 - May 17 with 181 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Var embarrassing again (n/t) on 16:52 - May 17 by Swansea_Blue

It’s increased correct decisions quite significantly apparently, from about 82% accuracy before to about 96% now. Whether all the time delays are worth that ~14% increase in accuracy is another matter of course. But it definitely ‘works’. As long as the only metric of success is increased accuracy.


Who is determining whether they are correct, though? As Gallagher (despite 99.9% of everyone else disagreeing) was adamant that Chaplin's against Leicester was a correct outcome. And herein is the problem to a large degree.

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Having VAR is embarassing on 17:19 - May 17 with 175 viewsTrequartista

Having VAR is embarassing on 16:25 - May 17 by grow_our_own

"VAR gets it wrong as much as refs do" - is patently not true. The problem with VAR is the delay and the uncertainty around goals. Goals = football. They're its USP and what make it the best, most popular sport in the world. You can't f#ck around with goals. If you're going to make them less certain, and start reducing goal joy, you damn sight better do so judiciously and with good reason. Right now, with the current implementation of VAR, anything goes. When it comes to goals, everything is reviewed, and everything is too much.

The solution isn't to scrap VAR and go back to Chelsea vs Ipswich 1975 nonsense:
it's to implement it in a way that recognises that referring **everything** is an unacceptable compromise of the enjoyment of a goal in football. I'm not going to restate my case for limited captain challenges again here, but see eg:
VAR is a disgrace. (n/t) by grow_our_own 10 May 22:05
While being on-balance a VAR advocate, I do get the criticism that it compromises goal joy. Everything being reviewed is too much. You're never quite sure if a goal has been scored.

Limited captain challenges is the solution. One total or one per half. Ball in net and no challenge signal from captain = goal. Simple. Everyone can see the captain on the pitch, so it's clear. The players know whether there's been an injustice without having to watch a replay, and captain is closer to the ref to quickly raise a challenge than manager. No back-and-forth to the bench, waiting for manager to watch his own replay on a tablet causing further delay.

Right now football is played by 22 professional cheats. Diving used to be criticised by the British as something only continental Europeans did, now we do it as much as anyone. I'd dive too in the current rules. Diving, complaining to the ref, and getting into his head that he's biased pays. You're more likely to get favourable decisions and win. Now imagine a world where a diver, who knows he's dived, asks his captain to challenge. Captain challenge is rejected bc it was a dive. Diver feels an idiot because he has been an idiot. Team has lost a precious challenge. In reality, they won't appeal, and won't dive in the first place especially if they know oppo captain has all-important challenge remaining. Quantity of cheating will reduce massively. Football is improved.

Side-beneift: teams are rewarded for having at least one player with a brain: the captain. Reputation of footballers being thick is reduced. Right now captains' formal responsibilities don't go much beyond calling a coin toss. Players become more central in the process instead of decisions exclusively by faceless bureaucrats sitting in an office somewhere.

[Post edited 17 May 16:30]


I think we have to separate out the parts of VAR that look at objective decisions like the ghost goal, offsides (i am in favour of Wengers' daylight interpretation), line calls against parts that look at subjective decisions (the Hearts 'handball' had people saying it was clear and obvious in both directions). Keep the former, ditch the latter.

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Var embarrassing again (n/t) on 17:30 - May 17 with 153 viewsSwansea_Blue

Var embarrassing again (n/t) on 17:15 - May 17 by Nthsuffolkblue

Who is determining whether they are correct, though? As Gallagher (despite 99.9% of everyone else disagreeing) was adamant that Chaplin's against Leicester was a correct outcome. And herein is the problem to a large degree.


Good question. The media articles around this all come from the PL, but I don’t know how they assess accuracy. You do see a lot of things get corrected the right way, but they largely go uncommented on.

I like the idea of VAR in principle to stop obvious errors, but it’s not about that any more is it. You see some right howlers without it, as we’ve experienced this season. But when they’re taking 3 minutes to decide if someone’s todger was offside and doing that several times a match it just kills the momentum of games and the fan experience.

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