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Not a good look when Netanyahu reprimand you on 22:53 - May 21 by eirannach_gorm
This is the Beaufort Declaration.
How much of the "civil and religious rights of existing non Jewish communities" remain in Israel / what's left of Palestine?
It's getting harder and harder to actually find Palestine.
I've never seen that graphic before although the 'settlement', displacement, land-steal, ethnic cleansing, whatever you want to call it is very well-known of course. But that graphic really brings home the extent of the injustice incrementally done to a people over the course of last eighty years, four generations.
Imagine if the image on the left represented the garden boundary of a long held family home you inherited. Now imagine a neighbour returns from a long overseas trip and instead of peacefully re-integrating decides to grub up your boundary hedges and systematically annex parts of, and then very nearly all of your property.
All you are left with is some tiny, scattered fragments of your garden, and the neighbour keeps taking more and also knocking down any rough shelters you manage to construct on what's left.
Good work by Philogene...... GREAT WORK BY PHILOGENE!!!
Not a good look when Netanyahu reprimand you on 08:42 - May 22 by NthQldITFC
I've never seen that graphic before although the 'settlement', displacement, land-steal, ethnic cleansing, whatever you want to call it is very well-known of course. But that graphic really brings home the extent of the injustice incrementally done to a people over the course of last eighty years, four generations.
Imagine if the image on the left represented the garden boundary of a long held family home you inherited. Now imagine a neighbour returns from a long overseas trip and instead of peacefully re-integrating decides to grub up your boundary hedges and systematically annex parts of, and then very nearly all of your property.
All you are left with is some tiny, scattered fragments of your garden, and the neighbour keeps taking more and also knocking down any rough shelters you manage to construct on what's left.
"Now imagine a neighbour returns from a long overseas trip and instead of peacefully re-integrating decides to grub up your boundary hedges and systematically annex parts of, and then very nearly all of your property."
And systematically murders your family, while the police and authorities watch on and do nothing.
Not a good look when Netanyahu reprimand you on 08:45 - May 22 by noggin
"Now imagine a neighbour returns from a long overseas trip and instead of peacefully re-integrating decides to grub up your boundary hedges and systematically annex parts of, and then very nearly all of your property."
And systematically murders your family, while the police and authorities watch on and do nothing.
Indeed.
And your cat.
Good work by Philogene...... GREAT WORK BY PHILOGENE!!!
Not a good look when Netanyahu reprimand you on 22:53 - May 21 by eirannach_gorm
This is the Beaufort Declaration.
How much of the "civil and religious rights of existing non Jewish communities" remain in Israel / what's left of Palestine?
It's getting harder and harder to actually find Palestine.
Just to add some historical accuracy to those maps. As facts matter.
The fist map is labled incorrectly there was no state of Palestine in 1947. It was British Mandated a Palestine and the term “Palestinian” applied to all people living in the area, whether Jew or Arab.
The White dots representing Israel is misleading as there was no state of Israel in 1947.
The 1948 map is an accurate representation of the UN charter which divided British Mandated Palestine into a Jewish and Arab state. Israel’s Declaration of Independence explicitly called on Arab inhabitants to remain and become equal citizens in the state of Israel. The Arab response explicitly called for genocide and expulsion of Jews in the area which is now referred to as being “from the river to the sea”.
Religious leaders told Arabs to go into exile rather than accept the two state solution.
Around 150,000 Arabs did remain inside Israel after the war. Today their descendants make up around 20% of Israeli citizens, who hold positions in the Israeli Parliament, the judiciary, the police and the armed forces.
Just one day after Israel declared its independence five Arab countries, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria launched coordinated military attacks against Israel.
None of this excuses massacres like Deir Yassin. Tens of thousands of Palestinians were also expelled eastward during Operation Dani. Israeli forces carried out war crimes such as poisoning water supplies which also caused 1000's of Arabs to flee.
Getting back to the war, the Arab states expected to strangle the state of Israel at birth. They heavily outnumbered Israeli forces and expected a quick victory. However, Israeli forces won the war and took control of all the territory originally allocated to the Jewish state, as well as approx 60% of the land designated for the Arab state. This included the Galilee, the coastal plain, the Negev desert, and West Jerusalem.
Which takes us to the 1967 map.
The 1967 map is also misleading because it labels Gaza and the West Bank as Palestine. What it omits to show is that during the 1948 Israel/Arab war Egypt annexed Gaza and Transjordan, now Jordan, annexed the West Bank. Both areas were controlled by the invading Arab forces for nearly twenty years. Not by the Palestinians.
The six day war in 1967 was caused by a combination of Soviet misinformation and Egypt’s blockade of The Straits of Tiran. Once again Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq fought against Israel. And again Israel won, resulting in Israel gaining control of theWest Bank (including East Jerusalem, captured from Jordan)The Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula (captured from Egypt) and The Golan Heights (captured from Syria).
These are occupied territories which Israel had no legal right to hold, although successive Israeli governments have justified the occupation as being vital for self defence due to the historical attacks by their Arab neighbours. However, more recently, the religious far right in an Israel claim that these lands are their God given right.
In 1973 Israel once again expanded their borders after once again they were attacked by their Arab neighbours in the Yom Kippur War if 1973. Eat sleep rave repeat.
Since then illegal Israeli settlements, encouraged by successive Israeli governments have continued to encroach on Palestine land. We are now seeing settlers attacking Palestinian farmers with little action being taken against them by the police. The people carrying out these attacks are terrorists. No ifs no buts.
Israel did withdraw completely from Gaza in 2005, demolishing all illegal settlements. In 2006, Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections and assumed control of Gaza Strip and we all know how that ended.
One has to wonder had the Arab coalition not invaded Israel in 1948, and that the religious leaders in British Mandated Palestine not told the Arab population not to go into exile, we may have two fully function states living peacefully in the area. It is the most long running conflict in modern times.
There have been attempts to revive the two state solution. Two, the 2000 Camp David Summit and the 2008 Annapolis-based negotiations came really close.
So as I said in my opening, if maps are going to be posted then I believe the historical context should also be published. Oh and it’s Balfour.
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“What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it........."
Not a good look when Netanyahu reprimand you on 15:56 - May 21 by wrightsrightglove
But you haven’t clarified anything through abstraction have you? All you’ve done is to try and confuse the situation to make a point with zero relevance to what I said.
Really quickly, do you think the ongoing genocide will be compared to the Holocaust by historians in the future? Straight forward yes or no will do
Of course it will. They idea that future or present historians researching genocide, ehtnic cleansing or war crimes etc would be free to compare and contrast say the genocidal actions of the British colonial state with the Nazi regime or Assads actions in Syria with other atrocities.
But would somehow not be allowed to compare Isreals recent and fresh genocide with Nazi Germanys atrocities is just nonsense and as no reality in historical research or theory.
Comparing historical similarities and differences is literally how history works.
Once people attempt to enforce what historical actions historians can and can't compare we are on a very dangerous and slippery slope
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