| Now to deal with financial transgressions 08:21 - May 21 with 524 views | GeoffSentence |
Breaking financial rules to get an advantage is just as much cheating as spying. Clubs like Leicester basically used their spending power from breaking the rules to get an advantage not available to honest clubs over the course of an entire season.
Middlesbrough have fallen foul of this when Derby clinched 6th spot ahead of them having breached FFP, I recall QPR having similar charges hanging over them for ages, but the sanctions applied by the authorities seem pretty weak
Leicester got a 6 point deduction which is feeble compared to the 2 points per game that Southampton have been given for spying.
Of course Swindon got a big penalty back in the day for financial cheating, kicked out of the top flight and relegated. That was in the days when the football league was in control of the entire league structure.
Going into admin gets treated quite harshly, what was it ? 15 points for Wednesday? So they can do it. Perhaps now the authorities will have the guts to take on clubs who deliberately breach their financial rules. |  |
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| Now to deal with financial transgressions on 08:23 - May 21 with 504 views | StokieBlue |
I believe Leicester are still facing one charge from the PL which due to recent agreements can be applied in L1?
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| Now to deal with financial transgressions on 09:25 - May 21 with 385 views | Radlett_blue |
The financial rules are so complicated that there are umpteen ways clever accountants can avoid them and any case gets buried in a mountain of complex paperwork.
The only way this would work would be to have a hard wage cap based on a club's revenue from TV & match day revenue, but this won't happen. |  |
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| Now to deal with financial transgressions on 09:34 - May 21 with 355 views | RIPbobby |
Perhaps the fact that Pep is allegedly leaving in the coming days suggests that those 115 charges are going to be levied against them come the season end. I get the feeling that spurs and west ham will be most pleased. |  | | |
| Now to deal with financial transgressions on 09:46 - May 21 with 308 views | wkj |
| Now to deal with financial transgressions on 09:34 - May 21 by RIPbobby |
Perhaps the fact that Pep is allegedly leaving in the coming days suggests that those 115 charges are going to be levied against them come the season end. I get the feeling that spurs and west ham will be most pleased. |
It's a tantalising thought, but I would be very surprised for something that has been going on this long to incur a penalty to Man City's active season. To me it's the type of thing id expect to happen before a season starts, if at all. |  |
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| Now to deal with financial transgressions on 09:52 - May 21 with 292 views | bsw72 |
It is not about having the guts, it is about being able to prove, beyond doubt, that the transgressions have occured, and that the charges being laid against club have solid legal foundations.
Southampton and spying was simple, they admitted it and were punished.
On the financial penalties, again Sheff Weds was simple, clearly transgressed and were punished, same with Leicester, West Brom, Everton and Forest, clearly able for the league to prove they broke the rules, and there was no challenge to the rules.
You say the Leicester penalty was feeble, yet technically got them relegated . . .
As for the Man City situation, that is so far removed and more complex than any of the above.
Firstly the timescale covers 13+ years and relates to multiple charges, the most serious being false accounting wrt providing accurate financial revenue information (inc sponsorship). This covers potentially tens of thousands of transaactions involving multiple corporate entities across both the English domestic league rules and UEFA's FFP framework. Volume of evidence is already into millions of pages of records.
The other piece that most people are not really clear on is that City are not just defedning the charges made, they have launched a parallel set of competition-law challenges against the Premier League's rules themselves, most notably the Associated Party Transation rules.
In 2024, the tribunal found three discrete elements of the 2021–24 APT Rules unlawful; procedural unfairness, exclusion of shareholder loans from fair market value assessment, and abuse of dominance under the Competition Act 1998.
This Man CIty legal strategy is attacking the regulatory framework itself, not just the charges within it. It’s the equivalent of a defendant successfully challenging the validity of the law under which they’re being prosecuted, mid-trial.
The hearings concluded in December 2024. The panel must reach a verdict that satisfies UK law; otherwise there is a risk of further lawsuits; and is likely to stand up on appeal by whatever party loses.
The panel isn’t just determining guilt; it’s effectively writing a judgment that must be legally bomb-proof against challenge in the English courts. |  | | |
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