| Something doesn't feel right about this for me 22:39 - Jun 10 with 13418 views | ITFC_Essex |
I may get a few pelters for bringing this up, and maybe I am being a touch emotional, but something doesn’t feel right.
Ordinarily I would take the statement at face value, a break, family, and so on, but since Farage-gate I have a bitter taste in my mouth and feel I must ask questions of what is happening behind the scenes here. I don’t say this to bring division, but McKenna’s comments since Farage-gate have felt very distant, his statement upon promotion about the changes he had to almost fight here in terms of personnel (against his will) made this his hardest promotion and you just got a feeling, that there is/was something else.
He didn’t seem like he was staying, even then, even though I wanted to believe otherwise.
The club, in terms of communication doesn’t have a lot of credit left in the bank for me, things like telling us Brandon Williams and Omari having flu, seemed minor at the time, but since the nonsense with Farage, especially the lies afterward and the fake apology from Ashton, I just don’t have a good feeling about the man or trust what the club puts out. Some of the statements made by ex-players, we howled at like Wolfenden, or Broadheads family on socials, about their game time and departures. It just all doesn’t feel as straightforward as it might appear. Even the Sam S stuff going round seemed bizarre, utterly bizarre.
We have one man wielding all the power of a CEO and Chairman, a man that appears to be almost un sackable. You have a situation where clubs like Fulham are showing interest, and McKenna chooses to walk away, allegedly 2-weeks ago after promotion. Really? A manager very much looking upwards in his career, and a club, Ipswich, on paper, that we’re told is much better prepared than last time for the Premier League. After McKenna walking away before a ball is kicked, I am not so sure, in fact, I am very sceptical of the whole thing.
It seems, with the poor pool of managers available for us to attract, and a key element of our success in effect walking away, this wasn’t exactly an ideal time for a change. I also fear than many key players will be for the chopping block soon, and I don’t know if yet have the scope in terms of recruitment, to bed a new manager, new team and adjust to the Premier League in one swoop. I think this could all end very badly for us if we get it wrong, and Ashton will be the villain if it does.
Maybe I am wrong, but Ashton lost my trust and something doesn’t feel right about any of this. Especially given that we were told that McKenna had a big hand in the new facilities and so on. I feel there’s been a falling out, and I think at the centre of that was the nonsense with Nigel Farage.
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 12:54 - Jun 12 with 604 views | Smoresy |
Less to pull at the heartstrings maybe? That episode combined with much more muted worshipping from the stands. But I'd be really surprised if either was a pivotal reason.
If you aren't convinced by burnout and need to rest, right near the top of alternative reasons must be a frank assessment of the challenge before us, and what successive PL relegations could have meant for future opportunities. Even if not professionally disastrous, he'll have known the mental toll it took. Sounds like the Fulham job was within dreaming distance, which would have offered a very different challenge. Better to start the clock on reducing compensation terms now perhaps, rather than risk falling into the Scott Parker bracket if our squad building doesn't go brilliantly over the summer. (I haven't counted us out already lol but I'm also not weighing my career prospects accordingly). |  | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 12:57 - Jun 12 with 595 views | mellowblue |
The man hug Ashton and McKenna shared after the QPR did suggest any frostiness between them. I think McKenna is sincere in what he is saying. Allied to some sensible career advice from his agent. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 13:21 - Jun 12 with 540 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 12:05 - Jun 12 by vapour_trail |
Whether you’re correct or not I don’t know, but what you’re saying makes good sense to me. |
You think it's good sense to pay a manager NOT to work for us, just so he can't go to a rival (who will get another manager in that case, who could do just as well if not better than McKenna)? |  |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 13:22 - Jun 12 with 535 views | AVJones |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:41 - Jun 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Don't be daft, there would be no clauses if that were the case. People would just resign and immediately take the new job and save their new club £8m. Why on earth would anyone pay compensation if you could just do that? |
You are right.
Any lawyer worth their salt will ensure that a compensation clause still exists if the employee resigns. Obviously, otherwise all you have to do is resign!
Ipswich’s right to receive compensation will be limited to the remaining period of his contract, as a maximum. There may be a sliding scale, or a negotiation might’ve happened, we don’t know.
Paying someone after they resign will be unrelated to the above. You pay someone after they resign, so-called garden leave, to stop them going to a direct competitor now. It’s a delaying tactic. Then negotiating begins.
It would be illogical, and expensive, to pay garden leave on the possibility of someone going to a competitor. There is no need. The contractual compensation payment already protects whether he’s working there or not.
However, I’m not saying portmanking is wrong. Football is properly weird, and something like this might have been created. For example, it might have been agreed in say, January, that KM could resign and still get paid for a period of time if promotion was achieved. Who knows? [Post edited 12 Jun 13:23]
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| And for those looking for balance... on 14:44 - Jun 12 with 434 views | ScottCandage |
| And for those looking for balance... on 08:59 - Jun 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Just because a phrase has been abused by dodgy politicians and the like, doesn't mean it's always a lie. Believe it or not, some people do actually value time with their families! |
That's why I factored in the possibility that he was telling the truth. |  | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 16:13 - Jun 12 with 384 views | NederlandseBlue |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 13:22 - Jun 12 by AVJones |
You are right.
Any lawyer worth their salt will ensure that a compensation clause still exists if the employee resigns. Obviously, otherwise all you have to do is resign!
Ipswich’s right to receive compensation will be limited to the remaining period of his contract, as a maximum. There may be a sliding scale, or a negotiation might’ve happened, we don’t know.
Paying someone after they resign will be unrelated to the above. You pay someone after they resign, so-called garden leave, to stop them going to a direct competitor now. It’s a delaying tactic. Then negotiating begins.
It would be illogical, and expensive, to pay garden leave on the possibility of someone going to a competitor. There is no need. The contractual compensation payment already protects whether he’s working there or not.
However, I’m not saying portmanking is wrong. Football is properly weird, and something like this might have been created. For example, it might have been agreed in say, January, that KM could resign and still get paid for a period of time if promotion was achieved. Who knows? [Post edited 12 Jun 13:23]
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"Garden leave" makes sense if a club wants to prevent someone moving to a rival taking information about transfer targets, budget, squad contract details and issues etc. which would benefit the new employer. | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 16:29 - Jun 12 with 360 views | AVJones |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 16:13 - Jun 12 by NederlandseBlue |
"Garden leave" makes sense if a club wants to prevent someone moving to a rival taking information about transfer targets, budget, squad contract details and issues etc. which would benefit the new employer. |
I completely agree.
However, you activate garden leave if someone is going somewhere. Which doesn’t seem to be what is happening.
And I suppose the value of all that information goes down quickly in Football when a new manager comes in with new plans and ideas? | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 07:34 - Jun 13 with 254 views | Kieran_Knows |
I somewhat agree with you. I don’t feel likes he’s been particularly happy these past 12 months, feels as if he’s had to prove himself having made some decisions that haven’t quite appeased the fans - Broadhead, Burgess, Woolfie, Chaplin et al leaving.
He carried the same message all season that this group of players needed time - something which a section of the fan base wasn’t giving them - and he’s been unusually open in press conferences - his comments regarding Woolfie and Szmodics spring to mind and I also seem to remember one in October/November last season where he had a slight pop at the fan base (IIRC).
All in all I think he wanted out this summer, regardless of who that club was and his release clause has prohibited him from that move hence this mutual parting of ways.
But hey, that’s probably the cynical side of me. |  |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 07:56 - Jun 13 with 209 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 07:34 - Jun 13 by Kieran_Knows |
I somewhat agree with you. I don’t feel likes he’s been particularly happy these past 12 months, feels as if he’s had to prove himself having made some decisions that haven’t quite appeased the fans - Broadhead, Burgess, Woolfie, Chaplin et al leaving.
He carried the same message all season that this group of players needed time - something which a section of the fan base wasn’t giving them - and he’s been unusually open in press conferences - his comments regarding Woolfie and Szmodics spring to mind and I also seem to remember one in October/November last season where he had a slight pop at the fan base (IIRC).
All in all I think he wanted out this summer, regardless of who that club was and his release clause has prohibited him from that move hence this mutual parting of ways.
But hey, that’s probably the cynical side of me. |
I think you're exaggerating a bit there. There was a bit of a surprise at Chappers going when he did, but in hindsight that was probably right as he never pulled up any trees at Pompey. Most people accepted the Broady money was too good to turn down for a peripheral player in his last year. I don't remember too many grumblings for Burgess, Woolfie and Szmodics going.
I don't think he's "been unusually open in press conferences" either, he's had about the same openess as ever to me. He maybe hasn't seemed so upbeat but it's been tougher with the extra expectation... and 4.5 years of hard work eventually takes its toll. | |
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