| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. 09:46 - Jun 22 with 2427 views | baxterbasics |
I know most of us have little love for Starmer.
But 7 PMs in 10 years is bonkers. Where's the stability?
Repeatedly changing the top guy doesn't help much if the problem is the MPs. Starmer too often found his hands were tied because his MPs are only interested in raising more taxes to pay more benefits. So the badly needed welfare reform never materialised. No money available to even defend ourselves properly, never mind investing in anything else we might need. What's Burnham going to be able to do about that? Either he caves, or finds himself equally restricted.
When you've picked your horse, back it, you fools. At least until the next election. Same message to all parties by the way. A curse upon all your houses. |  |
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| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. on 13:54 - Jun 22 with 378 views | Guthrum |
| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. on 13:01 - Jun 22 by bluelagos |
I get the technical argument.
My point is that ordinary people will not feel that PM Burnham (or May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak before) is their choice. Simple as that.
So until Burnham (or whoever) gets and wins a new mandate they will be seen by the vast majority of voters as lacking any legitimacy.
If I were him I'd cut and run and go to the country with his own manifesto as soon as he can - though Theresa May's botched attempt to do similar will probably scare him off. |
They will only feel that way if it's what they're repeatedly told. More untruths being peddled by certain politicians (who seek to delegitimise him for their own benefit) and media outlets (either the same reason or just because turmoil generates clicks).
Farage wants an election now because his support may have peaked. In Burnham's place, I wouldn't be keen on giving him that opportunity. |  |
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| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. on 14:07 - Jun 22 with 340 views | bluelagos |
| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. on 13:54 - Jun 22 by Guthrum |
They will only feel that way if it's what they're repeatedly told. More untruths being peddled by certain politicians (who seek to delegitimise him for their own benefit) and media outlets (either the same reason or just because turmoil generates clicks).
Farage wants an election now because his support may have peaked. In Burnham's place, I wouldn't be keen on giving him that opportunity. |
Talking of reform, I enjoyed Larry's response on this issue...
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| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. on 14:12 - Jun 22 with 329 views | positivity |
| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. on 14:07 - Jun 22 by bluelagos |
Talking of reform, I enjoyed Larry's response on this issue...
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exactly, i make it 0.000002% for both his questions! |  |
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| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. on 14:21 - Jun 22 with 320 views | bsw72 |
| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. on 13:01 - Jun 22 by bluelagos |
I get the technical argument.
My point is that ordinary people will not feel that PM Burnham (or May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak before) is their choice. Simple as that.
So until Burnham (or whoever) gets and wins a new mandate they will be seen by the vast majority of voters as lacking any legitimacy.
If I were him I'd cut and run and go to the country with his own manifesto as soon as he can - though Theresa May's botched attempt to do similar will probably scare him off. |
Out of interest, define "ordinary" people? |  | | |
| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. on 14:46 - Jun 22 with 302 views | baxterbasics |
| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. on 13:54 - Jun 22 by Guthrum |
They will only feel that way if it's what they're repeatedly told. More untruths being peddled by certain politicians (who seek to delegitimise him for their own benefit) and media outlets (either the same reason or just because turmoil generates clicks).
Farage wants an election now because his support may have peaked. In Burnham's place, I wouldn't be keen on giving him that opportunity. |
Agreed, Burnham would be nuts to call a GE straight off the bat. Even being more popular than Starmer, he's not going to get the same result as in Makerfield, not likely to get the return Starmer did last time around, and may well lose Labour's majority. See also: Theresa May fiasco, 2017.
We don't need to go faffing about with the constitution here - PMs are never directly elected. But Burnham may be wise not to stray too far from the last manifesto if he wants to claim any democratic mandate at all. | |
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| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. on 16:04 - Jun 22 with 255 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Starmer, Burnham and the rest - what a farce. on 14:46 - Jun 22 by baxterbasics |
Agreed, Burnham would be nuts to call a GE straight off the bat. Even being more popular than Starmer, he's not going to get the same result as in Makerfield, not likely to get the return Starmer did last time around, and may well lose Labour's majority. See also: Theresa May fiasco, 2017.
We don't need to go faffing about with the constitution here - PMs are never directly elected. But Burnham may be wise not to stray too far from the last manifesto if he wants to claim any democratic mandate at all. |
I am expecting a very undemocratic result with Burnham being unopposed, no leadership contest just MPs not even party members getting a vote. |  |
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