| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension 18:37 - Sep 1 with 8669 views | RIPbobby |
Makes you sick that he does not see out his term and causes another £200k+ bi election. Total scum. Clearly did not care for the union. Takes the money and runs. |  | | |  |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:51 - Sep 1 with 574 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:46 - Sep 1 by jasondozzell |
Haha incredible. Delusional stuff.
The truth is this:
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That's not truth. That's vitriol. |  |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:51 - Sep 1 with 559 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:49 - Sep 1 by jasondozzell |
Quite.
It's almost as if the whole thing was a gigantic fraud inflicted on the British people at the worst possible time! |
Didn't Polanski commit to standing at the by election of Starmer quit? Sure he said this a few months ago.
Of course he was riding high back then. I'd be less confident of him winning today. |  |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:52 - Sep 1 with 569 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:51 - Sep 1 by GlasgowBlue |
Didn't Polanski commit to standing at the by election of Starmer quit? Sure he said this a few months ago.
Of course he was riding high back then. I'd be less confident of him winning today. |
I think he may well run. Will be an interesting contest. Lab will hold it in all likelihood but they aren't going to like the inquest into their shenanigans it will bring. |  | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:53 - Sep 1 with 567 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:51 - Sep 1 by redrickstuhaart |
That's not truth. That's vitriol. |
You don't think the media knew what was going on? Or they did? Either way that's bad surely! | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:55 - Sep 1 with 558 views | pointofblue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:53 - Sep 1 by jasondozzell |
You don't think the media knew what was going on? Or they did? Either way that's bad surely! |
Know what was going on? | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:59 - Sep 1 with 542 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:55 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
Know what was going on? |
Quite | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:00 - Sep 1 with 540 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:55 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
Know what was going on? |
I think people have probably heard it enough from me so forgive me if I don't repeat the essay but in short it was a fraud with the backing of a compliant media.
Revenge of the centrist dads type thing except they forgot that they would actually have to run a country at the end of it. Oops... | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:00 - Sep 1 with 538 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:59 - Sep 1 by redrickstuhaart |
Quite |
Well *something* was going on! | | | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:06 - Sep 1 with 526 views | positivity |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 19:51 - Sep 1 by redrickstuhaart |
That's not truth. That's vitriol. |
you could say vitriol, or you could sum it up in a different word. "wibble" | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:06 - Sep 1 with 525 views | pointofblue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:00 - Sep 1 by jasondozzell |
I think people have probably heard it enough from me so forgive me if I don't repeat the essay but in short it was a fraud with the backing of a compliant media.
Revenge of the centrist dads type thing except they forgot that they would actually have to run a country at the end of it. Oops... |
I don't think Starmer and media were in step with each other. He wouldn't have so many issues during his premiership if so.
I do think there is a natural dislike of the left from many of the tabloids, and Corbyn certainly didn't help himself, so there was natural inclination to support Starmer as an alternative - especially as they saw the Conservative government fall apart whilst Reform were not strong enough to be able to challenge for the win. | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:08 - Sep 1 with 517 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:00 - Sep 1 by jasondozzell |
I think people have probably heard it enough from me so forgive me if I don't repeat the essay but in short it was a fraud with the backing of a compliant media.
Revenge of the centrist dads type thing except they forgot that they would actually have to run a country at the end of it. Oops... |
Not remotely the subject of the OP which people are discussing.
The idea that stepping down after 11 years, having been PM, and no longer being PM, is some sort of disgraceful dereliction of duty, is plain stupid. | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:13 - Sep 1 with 494 views | Dubtractor |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:06 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
I don't think Starmer and media were in step with each other. He wouldn't have so many issues during his premiership if so.
I do think there is a natural dislike of the left from many of the tabloids, and Corbyn certainly didn't help himself, so there was natural inclination to support Starmer as an alternative - especially as they saw the Conservative government fall apart whilst Reform were not strong enough to be able to challenge for the win. |
Do I buy that the Starmer project was a bit of a stitch up of the Labour left by the centrist (blue labour?!) faction of the party? Absolutely.
Do I think the media was complicit in it? No, that just feels a bit silly given how unsympathetic the entire media has been towards him. |  |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:13 - Sep 1 with 493 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:08 - Sep 1 by redrickstuhaart |
Not remotely the subject of the OP which people are discussing.
The idea that stepping down after 11 years, having been PM, and no longer being PM, is some sort of disgraceful dereliction of duty, is plain stupid. |
It's one final renege on a promise for the road! | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:15 - Sep 1 with 483 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:06 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
I don't think Starmer and media were in step with each other. He wouldn't have so many issues during his premiership if so.
I do think there is a natural dislike of the left from many of the tabloids, and Corbyn certainly didn't help himself, so there was natural inclination to support Starmer as an alternative - especially as they saw the Conservative government fall apart whilst Reform were not strong enough to be able to challenge for the win. |
They were literally in lockstep! They got invited to the secret meetings in 2018! They told us this because they thought it was smart.
I think you're onto something with your second point except I think they propped the Tories up until they had Starmer ready. I wonder why ... | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:18 - Sep 1 with 462 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:13 - Sep 1 by jasondozzell |
It's one final renege on a promise for the road! |
It wasnt a promise.
Grown ups do change their minds on things. | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:18 - Sep 1 with 461 views | pointofblue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:15 - Sep 1 by jasondozzell |
They were literally in lockstep! They got invited to the secret meetings in 2018! They told us this because they thought it was smart.
I think you're onto something with your second point except I think they propped the Tories up until they had Starmer ready. I wonder why ... |
Is that any different to the Blair project in the late 1990s? He worked hard to get the tabloids on side. And was better at winning people over than Starmer ever was and will be.
I think in a perfect world for them the Tories would still be in charge. Or Reform. But they had to balance optimism with realism. | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:19 - Sep 1 with 456 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:18 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
Is that any different to the Blair project in the late 1990s? He worked hard to get the tabloids on side. And was better at winning people over than Starmer ever was and will be.
I think in a perfect world for them the Tories would still be in charge. Or Reform. But they had to balance optimism with realism. |
The tabloids were on his back from day 1. What a bizarre piece of revisionism! | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:22 - Sep 1 with 445 views | pointofblue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:19 - Sep 1 by redrickstuhaart |
The tabloids were on his back from day 1. What a bizarre piece of revisionism! |
Blair or Starmer? | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:24 - Sep 1 with 442 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:22 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
Blair or Starmer? |
Starmer | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:29 - Sep 1 with 429 views | pointofblue |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:24 - Sep 1 by redrickstuhaart |
Starmer |
I think they were gentler with him than Corbyn and couldn't really deliver the killer blow before he became PM because they knew the Tories and Reform had no chance. It was easier for them once he became Prime Minister, and they definitely took the opportunity. | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:31 - Sep 1 with 421 views | Blueschev |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:13 - Sep 1 by Dubtractor |
Do I buy that the Starmer project was a bit of a stitch up of the Labour left by the centrist (blue labour?!) faction of the party? Absolutely.
Do I think the media was complicit in it? No, that just feels a bit silly given how unsympathetic the entire media has been towards him. |
I'd say he was somewhat used by the media, who were soft on him whilst he was gutting Labour of the left, only to turn on him once that goal had been achieved and his purpose had been served. |  | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:34 - Sep 1 with 413 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:18 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
Is that any different to the Blair project in the late 1990s? He worked hard to get the tabloids on side. And was better at winning people over than Starmer ever was and will be.
I think in a perfect world for them the Tories would still be in charge. Or Reform. But they had to balance optimism with realism. |
Imo it's a bit of a problem when you have a political project that tells the media that the plan is to lie to win power and then screw the party members over and the media go along with it because (a) they thought it was clever and (b) those kitchen islands weren't going to pay for themselves and this was going to help keep the 'right' people in charge
It's not really democracy is it.
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:36 - Sep 1 with 408 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:19 - Sep 1 by redrickstuhaart |
The tabloids were on his back from day 1. What a bizarre piece of revisionism! |
Nope.
It didn't seem to occur to any journalist to ask them what the plan was ahead of the election.
You'd think journalists would want to know wouldn't you?
Shenanigans! | | | |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:36 - Sep 1 with 403 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:36 - Sep 1 by jasondozzell |
Nope.
It didn't seem to occur to any journalist to ask them what the plan was ahead of the election.
You'd think journalists would want to know wouldn't you?
Shenanigans! |
What on earth are you on about now? | |
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| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:37 - Sep 1 with 401 views | Blueschev |
| Starmer quitting as an MP now he has his PM pension on 20:24 - Sep 1 by redrickstuhaart |
Starmer |
The Sun did endorse him in the 2024 election. As did the Times. | | | |
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