| Happy Agincourt Day !! 12:31 - Oct 25 with 593 views | Keno |
England won, France didnt
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| Happy Agincourt Day !! on 12:55 - Oct 25 with 544 views | BelsteadCav |
Cry God, for Harry, England and St. George ! |  |
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| Happy Agincourt Day !! on 13:25 - Oct 25 with 474 views | Ftnfwest |
Happy Saint crispins sir. Not the only time we were heavily outnumbered and prevailed, but tend not not go on about it. |  | | |
| Happy Agincourt Day !! on 13:25 - Oct 25 with 476 views | Churchman |
Good ole St Crispin’s Day. 1-0 to England, no extra time needed.
The English/Welsh army numbered about 6k. The French numbered double that, possibly 5x depending on sources. 80% were English and Welsh archers who carried war (long) bows that could fire at a rate of 6-12 a minute over a range of around 250 yards. The arrowheads were bodkins that would go through plate armour.
Men at arms in the middle flanked by bowmen and forest either side. The French advanced in three waves over a muddy ploughed field into effectively a funnel. It didn’t end well. Henry’s army suffered losses of around 400, the French 6000. The French were shot to pieces and basically stuck in the mud.
The outward facing stakes protected the bowmen (a first - not used at Crécy or earlier battles of this type) and as the French piled up, they downed bows and joined the men at arms with short swords, b*llock and rondel daggers. One of those through a joint in armour or vision slit of a helmet = very bad day.
One controversial outcome was the massacre of French prisoners. Noblemen had value and convention said take them prisoner (economics and chivalry). Bowmen and peasants - no value so kill them with impunity. Henry had the French killed - knives, swords, axes, smashing heads in - because of a perceived threat of greater French numbers.
Nobody knows the length of time of the battle, but given conditions I suspect it was a lot longer than the lowest estimate of 30 minutes.
Such is the horror of war. [Post edited 25 Oct 13:28]
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| Happy Agincourt Day !! on 13:39 - Oct 25 with 439 views | Guthrum |
Altho a lot of the English who were there didn't feel particularly blessed that morning - exhausted by a long and difficult siege (of Harfleur), half-starved, many suffering from dysentery amid foul weather and with their slightly desperate march to safety in Calais now blocked by a much larger French army.
Fortunately for Henry V's army, poor French tactics, discipline and control played into their hands and led to victory. But, as the Duke of Wellington was to say about another defeat of the French 400 years later, it was 'a damned nice [close] thing – the nearest run thing you ever saw in your life'. |  |
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| Happy Agincourt Day !! on 14:59 - Oct 25 with 319 views | Churchman |
| Happy Agincourt Day !! on 13:39 - Oct 25 by Guthrum |
Altho a lot of the English who were there didn't feel particularly blessed that morning - exhausted by a long and difficult siege (of Harfleur), half-starved, many suffering from dysentery amid foul weather and with their slightly desperate march to safety in Calais now blocked by a much larger French army.
Fortunately for Henry V's army, poor French tactics, discipline and control played into their hands and led to victory. But, as the Duke of Wellington was to say about another defeat of the French 400 years later, it was 'a damned nice [close] thing – the nearest run thing you ever saw in your life'. |
The French command structure was pretty non existent. Neither the king or Dauphin were there and the nobles all thought they had the best ideas.
The king, Charles 6th, had long periods of madness. At one point he thought he was made of glass.
You can imagine the French elite taking one look at the rag tag English army, starved and dysentery ridden, and thinking ‘can’t see a problem dealing with this rabble. Oops | | | |
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