| Corbyn, has he peaked? 11:55 - Jun 12 with 16082 views | hype313 |
Just wonder whether this was the best chance Jezzer had to get the keys to number 10? With the Tories having a complete clusterf*ck of a campaign with the worst leader in history, you do wonder if that was Corbyn's best chance?
The Tories were on the ropes, staggering around, blood pouring everywhere and now they have a chance to get back to the corner to re-group,I just wonder if Corbyn has peaked and it's only downhill from here.
This election reminds me of the recent Joshua/Klitchsco fight, Vlad floored him but didn't go in for the kill and then got battered himself and lost, can see a correlation between the two. [Post edited 12 Jun 2017 12:00]
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 11:57 - Jun 12 with 4136 views | lowhouseblue |
if there's another election in the next 6 months or so that will be his best chance. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 11:58 - Jun 12 with 4128 views | hype313 |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 11:57 - Jun 12 by lowhouseblue |
if there's another election in the next 6 months or so that will be his best chance. |
Just can't see them doing that, they know it would be suicidal. | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 11:59 - Jun 12 with 4125 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
This was his chance and he blew it. |  |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:00 - Jun 12 with 4127 views | Steve_M |
Probably, a lot of people voted Labour on the basis that he wouldn't win and wanted to kick the Tories. Plenty more voted because they were inspired by him too of course. It's hard to see the Tories being quite so crap next time although they may surpass all expectations yet again.
McDonnell and Corbyn propping up the Tory right's hard-Brexit is a reminder that Labour haven't suddenly become totally competent in six weeks. I still think they'll need to look more to the centre next time rather than staying too far left - the odds are they will take the wrong lessons from this election. |  |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:02 - Jun 12 with 4114 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:00 - Jun 12 by Steve_M |
Probably, a lot of people voted Labour on the basis that he wouldn't win and wanted to kick the Tories. Plenty more voted because they were inspired by him too of course. It's hard to see the Tories being quite so crap next time although they may surpass all expectations yet again.
McDonnell and Corbyn propping up the Tory right's hard-Brexit is a reminder that Labour haven't suddenly become totally competent in six weeks. I still think they'll need to look more to the centre next time rather than staying too far left - the odds are they will take the wrong lessons from this election. |
Was protest campaign with a lot of bribes.
Just imagine what a credible leader could have achieved. Might have been a close call. | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:06 - Jun 12 with 4097 views | Archer4721 |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 11:59 - Jun 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
This was his chance and he blew it. |
Erm he was 20 points at the start of campaign. |  | | |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:09 - Jun 12 with 4086 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:06 - Jun 12 by Archer4721 |
Erm he was 20 points at the start of campaign. |
His objective was to win the election, he was nearly 60 seats behind in the end, even when faced with a very poor tory campaign.
If Labour view this as a success, then that mindset will never see them elected.
JC did well by his own poor standards / expectations. | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:09 - Jun 12 with 4078 views | Archer4721 |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:02 - Jun 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Was protest campaign with a lot of bribes.
Just imagine what a credible leader could have achieved. Might have been a close call. |
Corbyn is a credible leader but you tories still can't quite grasp that. Labour has mobilised the young vote who will stay with them hopefully.
If it wasn't for the Tories unexpected success in Scotland they would've lost. | | | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:11 - Jun 12 with 4071 views | CaptainObvious |
the only certainty is that nobody has any clue what the electorate will do next. labour now 6 points ahead in post-election opinion polls (not that they have a clue either) and there are at least 25 seats where tories hold less than 2k majority over labour. |  |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:11 - Jun 12 with 4055 views | CaptainObvious |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:00 - Jun 12 by Steve_M |
Probably, a lot of people voted Labour on the basis that he wouldn't win and wanted to kick the Tories. Plenty more voted because they were inspired by him too of course. It's hard to see the Tories being quite so crap next time although they may surpass all expectations yet again.
McDonnell and Corbyn propping up the Tory right's hard-Brexit is a reminder that Labour haven't suddenly become totally competent in six weeks. I still think they'll need to look more to the centre next time rather than staying too far left - the odds are they will take the wrong lessons from this election. |
the tories didn't do crap, they got 13 million votes. how many did david cameron get? | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:12 - Jun 12 with 4048 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:09 - Jun 12 by Archer4721 |
Corbyn is a credible leader but you tories still can't quite grasp that. Labour has mobilised the young vote who will stay with them hopefully.
If it wasn't for the Tories unexpected success in Scotland they would've lost. |
The young were mobilised by losing the Brexit vote... which they failed to turn out in big numbers for. They didnt want to make the same mistake twice.
There is a chance that they will go back to being apathetic if they now think that their vote doesnt result in change.
They were also mobilised by massive bribes from Labour.
Just imagine what a credible leader could have done.
They Tories did do well in Scotland, so your point is hypothetical and not relevant. | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:14 - Jun 12 with 4046 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:11 - Jun 12 by CaptainObvious |
the only certainty is that nobody has any clue what the electorate will do next. labour now 6 points ahead in post-election opinion polls (not that they have a clue either) and there are at least 25 seats where tories hold less than 2k majority over labour. |
A slight shift to the centre and a change in leader could change all that.
One thing this election has proved....
...to get a big majority you cant be hard left or hard right, you need to be more central.
In reality no hard left or right party has won a large majority for 30+ years. | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:14 - Jun 12 with 4039 views | Archer4721 |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:12 - Jun 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The young were mobilised by losing the Brexit vote... which they failed to turn out in big numbers for. They didnt want to make the same mistake twice.
There is a chance that they will go back to being apathetic if they now think that their vote doesnt result in change.
They were also mobilised by massive bribes from Labour.
Just imagine what a credible leader could have done.
They Tories did do well in Scotland, so your point is hypothetical and not relevant. |
Define "credible leader" | | | |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:15 - Jun 12 with 4031 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:14 - Jun 12 by Archer4721 |
Define "credible leader" |
One that the electorate feel can lead the country.
The country voted and decided that JC wasnt a credible leader. | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:17 - Jun 12 with 4013 views | Archer4721 |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:14 - Jun 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
A slight shift to the centre and a change in leader could change all that.
One thing this election has proved....
...to get a big majority you cant be hard left or hard right, you need to be more central.
In reality no hard left or right party has won a large majority for 30+ years. |
You've contradicted yourself brilliantly.
Labour's success was about being a left wing and not centrist.
If they'd been centrist they wouldn't have got the support they did...See Miliband and Brown. | | | |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:19 - Jun 12 with 3999 views | Archer4721 |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:15 - Jun 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
One that the electorate feel can lead the country.
The country voted and decided that JC wasnt a credible leader. |
He is now though...look at the polls. | | | |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:19 - Jun 12 with 3996 views | lowhouseblue |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:17 - Jun 12 by Archer4721 |
You've contradicted yourself brilliantly.
Labour's success was about being a left wing and not centrist.
If they'd been centrist they wouldn't have got the support they did...See Miliband and Brown. |
now go back and read what he actually said:
"One thing this election has proved....
...to get a big majority you cant be hard left or hard right, you need to be more central."
did corbyn get a big majority? | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:19 - Jun 12 with 3997 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:17 - Jun 12 by Archer4721 |
You've contradicted yourself brilliantly.
Labour's success was about being a left wing and not centrist.
If they'd been centrist they wouldn't have got the support they did...See Miliband and Brown. |
Labours success?? Are you referring to corbyn again? Hes a proven failure.
Blairs government certainly wasn't hard left. | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:20 - Jun 12 with 3983 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:19 - Jun 12 by Archer4721 |
He is now though...look at the polls. |
There is ONE poll that counted, it took place in POLLING STATIONS around the country on Thursday.
Jeeez. | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:21 - Jun 12 with 3978 views | Archer4721 |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:19 - Jun 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Labours success?? Are you referring to corbyn again? Hes a proven failure.
Blairs government certainly wasn't hard left. |
So if he's such a failure why don't the tories get rid of May like they want to and have another election? | | | |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:24 - Jun 12 with 3953 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:21 - Jun 12 by Archer4721 |
So if he's such a failure why don't the tories get rid of May like they want to and have another election? |
Because they won the election. They beat all the other main parties combined.
Why would they call another election now? Would JM and JC call another election in the same circumstances? No.
It really isn't that difficult.
Corbyn failed to get elected (despite offers unprecedented bribes) and he is seen as a massive success by the labour voters. That is a genuine concern, such low standards. | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:26 - Jun 12 with 3932 views | CaptainObvious |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:14 - Jun 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
A slight shift to the centre and a change in leader could change all that.
One thing this election has proved....
...to get a big majority you cant be hard left or hard right, you need to be more central.
In reality no hard left or right party has won a large majority for 30+ years. |
Tthat hasn't been proved at all. May and Corbyn have moved their parties right and left respectively and both have substantially increased their vote. | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:27 - Jun 12 with 3916 views | lowhouseblue |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:26 - Jun 12 by CaptainObvious |
Tthat hasn't been proved at all. May and Corbyn have moved their parties right and left respectively and both have substantially increased their vote. |
and did either get a big majority - which I think was the point? | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:27 - Jun 12 with 3918 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:26 - Jun 12 by CaptainObvious |
Tthat hasn't been proved at all. May and Corbyn have moved their parties right and left respectively and both have substantially increased their vote. |
They increased their vote largely due to an increased turnout.
However, my point remains.... its about getting a large MAJORITY, not the number of overall votes. | |
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| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:28 - Jun 12 with 3910 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Corbyn, has he peaked? on 12:27 - Jun 12 by lowhouseblue |
and did either get a big majority - which I think was the point? |
Indeed.
I'm pleased someone read my post correctly.
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