| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: 07:22 - Sep 15 with 8812 views | homer_123 |
a. Invasion of North Korea
b. War between the North and South ( which never actually ended )
c. Nuclear bombs being deployed
d. All three
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 07:26 - Sep 15 with 5674 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
'How long is a piece of string ?' |  |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 07:34 - Sep 15 with 5666 views | StokieBlue |
Japan are the ones who have the genuine grievance at the moment - NK is regularly chucking missiles over their island now.
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 07:39 - Sep 15 with 5646 views | homer_123 |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 07:34 - Sep 15 by StokieBlue |
Japan are the ones who have the genuine grievance at the moment - NK is regularly chucking missiles over their island now.
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Indeed...and given Japan has been on the receiving end of a couple of nuclear bombs, I'd expect them to want to be doubly, triply sure they are not on the receiving end again.
This doesn't look like it will end well. | |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 08:03 - Sep 15 with 5615 views | Guthrum |
1. Pretty unlikely, a preventative occupation by China the most probable.
2. Very unlikely, unless the NK regime feels in immediate danger of removal.
3. Extremely unlikely to be used by anyone other than NK in a doomsday scenario. The USA, China and Russia are powerful enough in conventional weaponry that they do not need to.
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 08:12 - Sep 15 with 5604 views | homer_123 |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 08:03 - Sep 15 by Guthrum |
1. Pretty unlikely, a preventative occupation by China the most probable.
2. Very unlikely, unless the NK regime feels in immediate danger of removal.
3. Extremely unlikely to be used by anyone other than NK in a doomsday scenario. The USA, China and Russia are powerful enough in conventional weaponry that they do not need to.
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It's increasingly looking like both China (NK biggest trade partner) and Russia (NK's biggest user of forced labour) are toothless in stopping NKs progress towards weaponary capable of hitting the US.
The rhetoric is sounding and looking more and more hollow.
The last thing China needs is to occupy NK or to find itself in a situation where NK people can get to China and seek asylum in large numbers.
So, what is the likely outcome? UN troops on the ground in NK? Invasion? Status quo? | |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 08:15 - Sep 15 with 5590 views | Cambonbleu |
There's a very, very fine line being tread at the moment.
Whilst nobody wants to see anything serious happen, there's only so far a country can be provoked. Horrendous to think what could happen.
What I just can't fathom is WTF do North Korea think they are going to achieve by doing this? And do they have a red line they won't cross? Or will they keep going until somebody shoots back? It's nuts. |  |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 08:18 - Sep 15 with 5580 views | homer_123 |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 08:15 - Sep 15 by Cambonbleu |
There's a very, very fine line being tread at the moment.
Whilst nobody wants to see anything serious happen, there's only so far a country can be provoked. Horrendous to think what could happen.
What I just can't fathom is WTF do North Korea think they are going to achieve by doing this? And do they have a red line they won't cross? Or will they keep going until somebody shoots back? It's nuts. |
As I understand it, NKs position is to be taken seriuosly at the highest level - it's 'thinking' is that if it has ICBMs and notably ICBMs with nuclear capability, it will be taken seriously.
To a point, this thinking is correct - it will be taken seriously, but not for the reasons it 'wants' to be.
As it currently stands NKs is simply turning its nose up against anything other countries do, notably it appears, at this time, it is doing the same with China and Russia who have the largest opportunity to influence the situation.
One can't blame Japan for being royaly worried and pissed off - and surely it will only put up with so much? | |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 08:26 - Sep 15 with 5555 views | homer_123 |
In reply to my own comment - I should also point out that whatever the final solution is, for the general populous of NK - this looks increasingly bleak.
Further embargos of things like oil will plunge the country into another famine scenario - literally overnight (history repeating itself).
It looks bleak... | |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:04 - Sep 15 with 5507 views | StokieBlue |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 07:39 - Sep 15 by homer_123 |
Indeed...and given Japan has been on the receiving end of a couple of nuclear bombs, I'd expect them to want to be doubly, triply sure they are not on the receiving end again.
This doesn't look like it will end well. |
This could push Japan into becoming an acknowledged nuclear power. It's against their existing treaties but given the situation and their president they might not care.
As it stands they are a defacto nuclear power, they have vast amounts of plutonium, they launch their own satellites, they have the guidance systems and I suspect they already have a warhead design. It's just a matter of them putting it all together.
Worrying times really.
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:09 - Sep 15 with 5494 views | blue_oyster |
e. Assassination of Kim Wrong-Un by South Korea Govt more likely, apart from b) which is already the case. |  |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:15 - Sep 15 with 5470 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 07:39 - Sep 15 by homer_123 |
Indeed...and given Japan has been on the receiving end of a couple of nuclear bombs, I'd expect them to want to be doubly, triply sure they are not on the receiving end again.
This doesn't look like it will end well. |
The behaviour of Japan towards Korea under colonisation was sketchy to say the least......chickens coming home to roost ? | |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:18 - Sep 15 with 5463 views | StokieBlue |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:15 - Sep 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The behaviour of Japan towards Korea under colonisation was sketchy to say the least......chickens coming home to roost ? |
I think this is a daft comment.
The Japanese were truly awful but things have changed and that was nearly 80 years ago. How long do you think they should hold the grudge for? It wasn't the current generation of Japanese that committed those horrible acts, they have done nothing except move Japan forward into a truly modern country.
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:31 - Sep 15 with 5439 views | Guthrum |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 08:12 - Sep 15 by homer_123 |
It's increasingly looking like both China (NK biggest trade partner) and Russia (NK's biggest user of forced labour) are toothless in stopping NKs progress towards weaponary capable of hitting the US.
The rhetoric is sounding and looking more and more hollow.
The last thing China needs is to occupy NK or to find itself in a situation where NK people can get to China and seek asylum in large numbers.
So, what is the likely outcome? UN troops on the ground in NK? Invasion? Status quo? |
Status quo.
Neither Beijing nor Moscow has much in the way of political leverage on NK. But both have an interest in carefully managing the situation, do not want anything precipitate which might spark a crisis.
And for all NK's provocative actions and threatening words, they haven't actually done anything causing damage/casualties for a while.
If China thought NK was really planning a war, they would be moving rather more quickly.
Rhetoric is only words. And most of them are aimed primarily at domestic audiences in the respective countries. | |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:34 - Sep 15 with 5434 views | homer_123 |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:31 - Sep 15 by Guthrum |
Status quo.
Neither Beijing nor Moscow has much in the way of political leverage on NK. But both have an interest in carefully managing the situation, do not want anything precipitate which might spark a crisis.
And for all NK's provocative actions and threatening words, they haven't actually done anything causing damage/casualties for a while.
If China thought NK was really planning a war, they would be moving rather more quickly.
Rhetoric is only words. And most of them are aimed primarily at domestic audiences in the respective countries. |
Might be the case for 'now'. However, the fact they seem to be progressing (and at a rate) - their rhetoric can finally be backed up by some potentially devastating weaponary.
I agree, apart from some 'dick waving' not a lot has happened. The problem lies in the fact that what if a response from either China, Russia or the UN is too late?
I'm not sure NK would think they can gain anything from attacking another country but I'm also not entirely sure that they wouldn't anyway...wouldn't be the first time. | |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:43 - Sep 15 with 5420 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:18 - Sep 15 by StokieBlue |
I think this is a daft comment.
The Japanese were truly awful but things have changed and that was nearly 80 years ago. How long do you think they should hold the grudge for? It wasn't the current generation of Japanese that committed those horrible acts, they have done nothing except move Japan forward into a truly modern country.
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It was a question ! | |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:43 - Sep 15 with 5414 views | StokieBlue |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:43 - Sep 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
It was a question ! |
Fair enough.
Although it was framed as a statement :).
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:44 - Sep 15 with 5419 views | Guthrum |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:34 - Sep 15 by homer_123 |
Might be the case for 'now'. However, the fact they seem to be progressing (and at a rate) - their rhetoric can finally be backed up by some potentially devastating weaponary.
I agree, apart from some 'dick waving' not a lot has happened. The problem lies in the fact that what if a response from either China, Russia or the UN is too late?
I'm not sure NK would think they can gain anything from attacking another country but I'm also not entirely sure that they wouldn't anyway...wouldn't be the first time. |
The moment NK attacks anyone, they've lost. China will not back them in an aggressive war.
All nuclear weapons mean is that if things do get messy in the Korean peninsula, they will be considerably more damaging than before. Plus the danger of proliferation of the technology to other places.
After all, NK has had a working atom bomb for over a decade and not used one yet. | |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:10 - Sep 15 with 5373 views | homer_123 |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 09:44 - Sep 15 by Guthrum |
The moment NK attacks anyone, they've lost. China will not back them in an aggressive war.
All nuclear weapons mean is that if things do get messy in the Korean peninsula, they will be considerably more damaging than before. Plus the danger of proliferation of the technology to other places.
After all, NK has had a working atom bomb for over a decade and not used one yet. |
Except that NK and China has a military pact that states they will come to the aid of each other.....albeit I believe there is 'some' potential for China not to support that pact signed in '61 if nuclear weapons play a part.
They've used several bombs to be fair - just in a controlled test environment. The question at the moment is how far is NK willing to go/ push and how long do the likes of Japan et al put up with it - with no seeming diplomatic solution in sight. | |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:17 - Sep 15 with 5358 views | StokieBlue |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:10 - Sep 15 by homer_123 |
Except that NK and China has a military pact that states they will come to the aid of each other.....albeit I believe there is 'some' potential for China not to support that pact signed in '61 if nuclear weapons play a part.
They've used several bombs to be fair - just in a controlled test environment. The question at the moment is how far is NK willing to go/ push and how long do the likes of Japan et al put up with it - with no seeming diplomatic solution in sight. |
That pact isn't worth anything. The world is a very different place to what it was in 1961, there is absolutely no way that China will even entertain the remotest chance of getting into a shooting war with the US.
The US and China have a symbiotic relationship, both need each other to maintain their positions at the top of the pile.
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:21 - Sep 15 with 5346 views | hoppy |
Do you mean Lowestoft? |  |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:23 - Sep 15 with 5337 views | hype313 |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:21 - Sep 15 by hoppy |
Do you mean Lowestoft? |
Lowestoft's been nuked hasn't it? |  |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:29 - Sep 15 with 5321 views | hoppy |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:23 - Sep 15 by hype313 |
Lowestoft's been nuked hasn't it? |
No, it just looks like it in places. However, it's still an upgrade on Jaywick, where the investigation is still taking place to decide whether it has been or not, despite not being as Far East as Lowestoft. | |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:36 - Sep 15 with 5297 views | homer_123 |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:17 - Sep 15 by StokieBlue |
That pact isn't worth anything. The world is a very different place to what it was in 1961, there is absolutely no way that China will even entertain the remotest chance of getting into a shooting war with the US.
The US and China have a symbiotic relationship, both need each other to maintain their positions at the top of the pile.
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I wouldn't entirely write the pact off but given the development of nuclear weapons it gives China an 'out' if needed.
If China had the opportunity to be at the top of the pile on its own, without the US - it wouldn't be adverse to that. | |
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:39 - Sep 15 with 5295 views | StokieBlue |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:36 - Sep 15 by homer_123 |
I wouldn't entirely write the pact off but given the development of nuclear weapons it gives China an 'out' if needed.
If China had the opportunity to be at the top of the pile on its own, without the US - it wouldn't be adverse to that. |
There is absolutely no way that China will get into a shooting war with the US. Multiple reasons but the main ones are that they would lose and that their biggest market which drives all their recent wealth wouldn't be buying all their stuff anymore.
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| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:42 - Sep 15 with 5297 views | Guthrum |
| So, how long before the dick waving in the Far East results in either: on 10:10 - Sep 15 by homer_123 |
Except that NK and China has a military pact that states they will come to the aid of each other.....albeit I believe there is 'some' potential for China not to support that pact signed in '61 if nuclear weapons play a part.
They've used several bombs to be fair - just in a controlled test environment. The question at the moment is how far is NK willing to go/ push and how long do the likes of Japan et al put up with it - with no seeming diplomatic solution in sight. |
In 1961 the Peoples Republic of China itself was still something of a pariah state. They were just at the point of falling out with former sponsor the USSR (nearly went to war with each other). The permanent seat on the UN Security Council which it now holds was not transferred from Taiwan until 1971 and Nixon's detente was still over a decade away.
That treaty is unlikely to be honoured by Beijing, except possibly if there was an all-out US invasion. Even then, they would be more interested in halting American progress than saving the Kim dynasty.
They've tested bombs, not used them.
Tokyo will not do anything without US backing, which is unlikely to come unless they are directly attacked. Japan is not militarily strong enough to act on its own and has a number of constitutional laws restricting what they're allowed to do except in strict self defence. | |
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