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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, 10:17 - Jun 22 with 4151 viewsGuthrum

impressive as it is, was only one part of a vast ritual/monumental landscape.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jun/22/vast-neolithic-circle-of-deep-sh

Obviously the grasslands of Salisbury Plain are particularly good for preserving evidence of these things, but one wonders whether it was unique in scale, or if there is more to be found around places like Avebury (which is already known to be part of an elaborate complex of sites).

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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 10:34 - Jun 22 with 3043 viewsFenboyBlue

I was reading about that on the Metro site, fascinating stuff.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/22/huge-4500-year-old-stone-circle-discovered-near-s

And I didn't know that they'd also found Robin Hood's ball too.
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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 10:38 - Jun 22 with 3028 viewsKeno

When I read they had found a large neolithic site just of Salisbury I immediately thought they meant Basingstoke

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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 10:46 - Jun 22 with 3004 viewsleitrimblue

I would suggest that with the Stonehenge complex what you are really seeing is the high point of a culture that as taken 2000 years to develop. You could think of it as a Ferrari an that the earlier versions of these monument's found in the Orkneys an the West of Ireland as the model T
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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 10:50 - Jun 22 with 2994 viewscatch74

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 10:38 - Jun 22 by Keno

When I read they had found a large neolithic site just of Salisbury I immediately thought they meant Basingstoke


I had the pleasure of looking after a pub in Basingstoke (Hogshead) for a couple of weeks. I’ve never seen such a massive list of banned people for a town centre.

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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 11:03 - Jun 22 with 2968 viewsSteve_M

Indeed. That would suggest that building a tunnel adjacent to the site would be cultural vandalism.

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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 11:06 - Jun 22 with 2972 viewsleitrimblue

Did you know that there are similar monument complexs in Suffolk an Essex? It's just that different agricultural practice's in this part of the country as lead to most of them being ploughed out and only visible from aerial photos. Stour valley as an enormous amount of these monument's think there is a large complex of multiple sites around Cavendish
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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 10:38 - Jun 22 by Keno

When I read they had found a large neolithic site just of Salisbury I immediately thought they meant Basingstoke


I'd be keen to know how tall the spire on Salisbury Cathedral is.


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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 11:18 - Jun 22 with 2924 viewsWeWereZombies

I was sent this lovely link to help me experience solstice there a couple of days ago:

https://www.stonehengeskyscape.co.uk/

We then got into a, shall I say, discussion on the phone about whether it was a matter of science as to where and when the longest day was or whether it was up to the druids to decide. I had to agree to disagree with her on that one and backed out of things by agreeing that it was probably better experienced at Newgrange or Maes Howe...

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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:39 - Jun 22 with 2825 viewsGuthrum

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 11:06 - Jun 22 by leitrimblue

Did you know that there are similar monument complexs in Suffolk an Essex? It's just that different agricultural practice's in this part of the country as lead to most of them being ploughed out and only visible from aerial photos. Stour valley as an enormous amount of these monument's think there is a large complex of multiple sites around Cavendish


Not surprising - altho I didn't know any actual sites had been spotted in that region. It is one of the major gateways for traffic coming from the Thames estuary or across the North Sea (reasons why the pre-Roman city at Camulodunum was established). Is there anything online to read about these discoveries yet? Would be very interested.

The availablility of durable stone (sarsen) on Salisbury Plain helped those sites get noticed and mainly pastoral agriculture left what was below ground fairly undisturbed. In the east, most stuff would have been wood, of which little obvious trace survives, with even post-holes taken out by modern deep ploughing.

The Cotswolds is another area with a concentration of burials, hillforts and the odd stone circle (Rollright).

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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:43 - Jun 22 with 2816 viewsGuthrum

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 11:18 - Jun 22 by WeWereZombies

I was sent this lovely link to help me experience solstice there a couple of days ago:

https://www.stonehengeskyscape.co.uk/

We then got into a, shall I say, discussion on the phone about whether it was a matter of science as to where and when the longest day was or whether it was up to the druids to decide. I had to agree to disagree with her on that one and backed out of things by agreeing that it was probably better experienced at Newgrange or Maes Howe...


Some years ago I got the opportunity to go right in amongst the stones (on a non-solstice day), courtesy of some druid friends who were holding a ceremony. You really get a proper idea of the size of them from close up.

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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:48 - Jun 22 with 2799 viewsFixed_It

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:43 - Jun 22 by Guthrum

Some years ago I got the opportunity to go right in amongst the stones (on a non-solstice day), courtesy of some druid friends who were holding a ceremony. You really get a proper idea of the size of them from close up.


When I was a kid my grand parents lived a few miles away from Stonehenge. In those days you could have full access to the stones. They are huge.

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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:55 - Jun 22 with 2779 viewsdominiciawful

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 11:06 - Jun 22 by leitrimblue

Did you know that there are similar monument complexs in Suffolk an Essex? It's just that different agricultural practice's in this part of the country as lead to most of them being ploughed out and only visible from aerial photos. Stour valley as an enormous amount of these monument's think there is a large complex of multiple sites around Cavendish


Do you know any of the particular locations of these?

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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:57 - Jun 22 with 2778 viewsstringy

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 11:06 - Jun 22 by leitrimblue

Did you know that there are similar monument complexs in Suffolk an Essex? It's just that different agricultural practice's in this part of the country as lead to most of them being ploughed out and only visible from aerial photos. Stour valley as an enormous amount of these monument's think there is a large complex of multiple sites around Cavendish


Fornham-all-Saints has a major complex, both a causewayed enclosure and cursus

lots of good stuff in Suffolk but we have always flown under the radar out east because we don't have the stone and by extent none of the megalithic structures like Avebury, Stonehenge, or West Kennett (yes I suppose we could have got our act together and hoofed up some kind of Silbury Hill thing but...)

and given our proximity to North Sea, likely had farming/Neolithic earlier here than Wiltshire too
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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:58 - Jun 22 with 2774 viewsstringy

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:55 - Jun 22 by dominiciawful

Do you know any of the particular locations of these?


here's the one I work on (Shotley peninsula):

https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/freston-archaeological-research-mission-farm
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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:59 - Jun 22 with 2764 viewsKeno

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:57 - Jun 22 by stringy

Fornham-all-Saints has a major complex, both a causewayed enclosure and cursus

lots of good stuff in Suffolk but we have always flown under the radar out east because we don't have the stone and by extent none of the megalithic structures like Avebury, Stonehenge, or West Kennett (yes I suppose we could have got our act together and hoofed up some kind of Silbury Hill thing but...)

and given our proximity to North Sea, likely had farming/Neolithic earlier here than Wiltshire too


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Pfff... Suffolk 1 - Stonehenge 0 on 13:07 - Jun 22 with 2747 viewsstringy

It is truly amazing how much new stuff they come up with in that area given the amount of research; the ground penetrating radar is good stuff, though kinda needs to be ground-truthed by a bit more digging (they did do some coring)

just did similar work at Freston this summer, aaaaaand let us not forget this site (4th largest of its kind in the UK) pre-dates Stonehenge by a good while (was about to send samples off for radiocarbon dating when covid locked us down, but the associated pottery suggests it's 3700-3400 BC)

I wanted to show you how big it is I got my chum to do an overlay with FPR; bit more of a GIS-whizz than I (took the poor so and so to first home game of season; he fell asleep, though we had somewhat over-indulged in the Greyhound before), alas I can't post-pic because it needs to be on interweb first (PM me if you want a copy), but you can fit the entire stadium into the monument 3.5 times...

https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/freston-archaeological-research-mission-farm

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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 13:27 - Jun 22 with 2706 viewsPJH

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:43 - Jun 22 by Guthrum

Some years ago I got the opportunity to go right in amongst the stones (on a non-solstice day), courtesy of some druid friends who were holding a ceremony. You really get a proper idea of the size of them from close up.


I am sure it will look nice when it is finished.
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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 13:34 - Jun 22 with 2686 viewsKeno

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 13:27 - Jun 22 by PJH

I am sure it will look nice when it is finished.


Just shows builders aint changed much in 5000 years, start a job get half way through then b4gger off leaving it unfinished
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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 13:51 - Jun 22 with 2650 viewsleitrimblue

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:39 - Jun 22 by Guthrum

Not surprising - altho I didn't know any actual sites had been spotted in that region. It is one of the major gateways for traffic coming from the Thames estuary or across the North Sea (reasons why the pre-Roman city at Camulodunum was established). Is there anything online to read about these discoveries yet? Would be very interested.

The availablility of durable stone (sarsen) on Salisbury Plain helped those sites get noticed and mainly pastoral agriculture left what was below ground fairly undisturbed. In the east, most stuff would have been wood, of which little obvious trace survives, with even post-holes taken out by modern deep ploughing.

The Cotswolds is another area with a concentration of burials, hillforts and the odd stone circle (Rollright).


I'm not sure if much of the information is on line. I wrote something for the Suffolk smr office 20 years ago about the Neolithic monument's of the stour valley, not sure if they still use it. Have worked in the West of Ireland for last 20 years. Here we have a mapping system called environmental viewer Which shows the location of every archaeological monument in the country, I'm sure something similar exists in the UK. I'm actually in the middle of excavating a bronze age barrow at the moment but will message a friend in the UK later who will know if anything online there in the uk
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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 13:53 - Jun 22 with 2639 viewsleitrimblue

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 12:55 - Jun 22 by dominiciawful

Do you know any of the particular locations of these?


Not off the top of my head, but if your really interested you can pop into yet local sites, monument's an records office in bury or Ipswich an they will be happy to show you them
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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 13:54 - Jun 22 with 2637 viewsKeno

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 13:51 - Jun 22 by leitrimblue

I'm not sure if much of the information is on line. I wrote something for the Suffolk smr office 20 years ago about the Neolithic monument's of the stour valley, not sure if they still use it. Have worked in the West of Ireland for last 20 years. Here we have a mapping system called environmental viewer Which shows the location of every archaeological monument in the country, I'm sure something similar exists in the UK. I'm actually in the middle of excavating a bronze age barrow at the moment but will message a friend in the UK later who will know if anything online there in the uk


every now and then you read a post and you think 'wow that guy has an a more more exciting life than me"

I have an afternoon of reading technical data on QROPs and Letty in the west of Ireland "excavating a bronze age barrow"

How cool is that!!!

Have a Guinness for me later Letty!!

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Pfff... Suffolk 1 - Stonehenge 0 on 13:57 - Jun 22 with 2627 viewsleitrimblue

Pfff... Suffolk 1 - Stonehenge 0 on 13:07 - Jun 22 by stringy

It is truly amazing how much new stuff they come up with in that area given the amount of research; the ground penetrating radar is good stuff, though kinda needs to be ground-truthed by a bit more digging (they did do some coring)

just did similar work at Freston this summer, aaaaaand let us not forget this site (4th largest of its kind in the UK) pre-dates Stonehenge by a good while (was about to send samples off for radiocarbon dating when covid locked us down, but the associated pottery suggests it's 3700-3400 BC)

I wanted to show you how big it is I got my chum to do an overlay with FPR; bit more of a GIS-whizz than I (took the poor so and so to first home game of season; he fell asleep, though we had somewhat over-indulged in the Greyhound before), alas I can't post-pic because it needs to be on interweb first (PM me if you want a copy), but you can fit the entire stadium into the monument 3.5 times...

https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/freston-archaeological-research-mission-farm

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I'm working in Sligo at the moment next to the earliest or one of the earliest causewayed enclosures. It's the one from Ed Danahers book, Monumental beginning's
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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 13:59 - Jun 22 with 2616 viewsfactual_blue

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 13:34 - Jun 22 by Keno

Just shows builders aint changed much in 5000 years, start a job get half way through then b4gger off leaving it unfinished
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Brings this to mind


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It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 14:00 - Jun 22 with 2614 viewsleitrimblue

It is becoming increasingly clear that Stonehenge, on 13:54 - Jun 22 by Keno

every now and then you read a post and you think 'wow that guy has an a more more exciting life than me"

I have an afternoon of reading technical data on QROPs and Letty in the west of Ireland "excavating a bronze age barrow"

How cool is that!!!

Have a Guinness for me later Letty!!


Will do, thanks. It's not quite as cool as it sounds, it's pis5ing down at the moment an I'm writing this while trying to shelter under a tree
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Talking of Salisbury on 14:05 - Jun 22 with 2606 viewssolemio

Talking of Salisbury on 11:07 - Jun 22 by factual_blue

I'd be keen to know how tall the spire on Salisbury Cathedral is.


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It'a little higher than the top of the cathedral tower at St Albans, although the latter cathedral stands on land higher above sea level than any other in England.

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