| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip 10:01 - Aug 19 with 2208 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
4 out of the 5 main numbers, 2nd time that has happened in a month, what are the odds on that? Anyone?
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 10:28 - Aug 19 with 2152 views | StokieBlue |
Sequential numbers have exactly the same chance of coming up as non-sequential numbers.
In fact it's better for you because it's unlikely any human would pick those sequential numbers so you won't have to share your winnings with anyone.
SB [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 10:28]
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 10:47 - Aug 19 with 2110 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 10:28 - Aug 19 by StokieBlue |
Sequential numbers have exactly the same chance of coming up as non-sequential numbers.
In fact it's better for you because it's unlikely any human would pick those sequential numbers so you won't have to share your winnings with anyone.
SB [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 10:28]
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I know that in theory that is the case but in reality it's not going to happen is it? It's never happened.
But actually I was asking what the chances are of tbe lucky dip machine producing sequential numbers for me twice in a month?
I accept regardless of the numbers I have the chances of winning our 0.
I managed 4 numbers (most ever) a couple of weeks ago, I won £6.10. | |
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 11:03 - Aug 19 with 2099 views | blueasfook |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 10:47 - Aug 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I know that in theory that is the case but in reality it's not going to happen is it? It's never happened.
But actually I was asking what the chances are of tbe lucky dip machine producing sequential numbers for me twice in a month?
I accept regardless of the numbers I have the chances of winning our 0.
I managed 4 numbers (most ever) a couple of weeks ago, I won £6.10. |
Random number generators are never truly random but psuedo-random, as a computer cant do random. At best, the algorithm is seeded by a variable such as a time component or other variable but with many hundreds of thousands probably choosing lucky dips every week, you are going to see some repetition. |  |
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 11:15 - Aug 19 with 2068 views | StokieBlue |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 11:03 - Aug 19 by blueasfook |
Random number generators are never truly random but psuedo-random, as a computer cant do random. At best, the algorithm is seeded by a variable such as a time component or other variable but with many hundreds of thousands probably choosing lucky dips every week, you are going to see some repetition. |
For most purposes this is correct, however you can take multiple samples over time and then calculate the entropy which should give a truly random seed for the process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(computing)
I have no idea whether the lottery lucky dip selection process uses such a system though.
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 11:21 - Aug 19 with 2058 views | DanTheMan |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 11:15 - Aug 19 by StokieBlue |
For most purposes this is correct, however you can take multiple samples over time and then calculate the entropy which should give a truly random seed for the process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(computing)
I have no idea whether the lottery lucky dip selection process uses such a system though.
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I'd imagine they use a hardware number generator if anything, which would mean they aren't psuedo random.
EDIT: Looks like you can use a software based one as along as you can prove it's good enough
https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/manual/bingo-and-casino-technical-requirem [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 11:25]
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 11:27 - Aug 19 with 2032 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 10:28 - Aug 19 by StokieBlue |
Sequential numbers have exactly the same chance of coming up as non-sequential numbers.
In fact it's better for you because it's unlikely any human would pick those sequential numbers so you won't have to share your winnings with anyone.
SB [Post edited 19 Aug 2022 10:28]
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is that right? surely there are many more sets of 5 numbers which are non-sequential than there are which are sequential. using 1 to 99 there can only be 94 such sequential sets, where as there's a huge number of non-sequential sets? |  |
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 11:34 - Aug 19 with 2006 views | blueasfook |
From Camelot - "The Lucky Dip facility uses software that has been designed to generate numbers at random. The software is tested to ensure it does just that. "
So sounds like they are using software. I doubt it's a highly sophisticated algorithm. Probably the most basic possible to satisfy GC requirements. | |
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 12:12 - Aug 19 with 1949 views | iamatractorboy |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 10:47 - Aug 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I know that in theory that is the case but in reality it's not going to happen is it? It's never happened.
But actually I was asking what the chances are of tbe lucky dip machine producing sequential numbers for me twice in a month?
I accept regardless of the numbers I have the chances of winning our 0.
I managed 4 numbers (most ever) a couple of weeks ago, I won £6.10. |
I'm a bit of a maths nerd and I think I've worked out how to give you an answer but it depends on how many draws you've entered. When you say "a month", do you mean, say, 4 draws? 5? |  | | |
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 12:21 - Aug 19 with 1939 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 12:12 - Aug 19 by iamatractorboy |
I'm a bit of a maths nerd and I think I've worked out how to give you an answer but it depends on how many draws you've entered. When you say "a month", do you mean, say, 4 draws? 5? |
I tend ro play euromillions once a week. So I'd say 4. Now today (because I was just rolling my £6.10 mega win) I have purchased 2 lines but normally just the one.
Let's says its 6 weeks between the 2 incidences which is tbe max it's been bur I think it's twice in a month. | |
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 12:23 - Aug 19 with 1936 views | iamatractorboy |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 12:21 - Aug 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I tend ro play euromillions once a week. So I'd say 4. Now today (because I was just rolling my £6.10 mega win) I have purchased 2 lines but normally just the one.
Let's says its 6 weeks between the 2 incidences which is tbe max it's been bur I think it's twice in a month. |
OK slight spanner in the works as I'd assumed it was lotto (choose 6 from 49? Not even sure I was right with that as haven't played in years). What is the format for the numbers? I can adjust my calcs based on that. | | | |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 12:54 - Aug 19 with 1917 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 12:23 - Aug 19 by iamatractorboy |
OK slight spanner in the works as I'd assumed it was lotto (choose 6 from 49? Not even sure I was right with that as haven't played in years). What is the format for the numbers? I can adjust my calcs based on that. |
You pick 5 nos between 1 and 50 and 2 lucky stars between 1 and 12
Match all 7 and you win big, for this the lucky starts are not a factor though as its just the 5 main nos where this can happen. In both cases 4 of the 5 nos were sequential. | |
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 13:23 - Aug 19 with 1895 views | blueasfook |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 12:54 - Aug 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
You pick 5 nos between 1 and 50 and 2 lucky stars between 1 and 12
Match all 7 and you win big, for this the lucky starts are not a factor though as its just the 5 main nos where this can happen. In both cases 4 of the 5 nos were sequential. |
The best way to reduce your odds (and increase your wins) is a wheeling system. You basically add an extra number into your selection so for the UK lotto (where you pick 6 numbers), you can choose 7 numbers (see example below). It requires playing multiple lines to cover all the permutations but the good thing about it is you will likely win multiple times if you get matching numbers.
Say you match 3 balls (1,2 and 3) you will win on Lines 1, 4, 5 and 6 in this example.
if you were to win the jackpot (match all 6). You will get the jackpot payment for line 1 and match 5 on all the other lines (and Camelot will hate you!)
1) 1,2,3,4,5,6
2) 1,3,4,5,6,7
3) 1,2,4,5,6,7
4) 1,2,3,5,6,7
5) 1,2,3,4,6,7
6) 1,2,3,4,5,7
7) 2,3,4,5,6,7 | |
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 13:36 - Aug 19 with 1879 views | StokieBlue |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 13:23 - Aug 19 by blueasfook |
The best way to reduce your odds (and increase your wins) is a wheeling system. You basically add an extra number into your selection so for the UK lotto (where you pick 6 numbers), you can choose 7 numbers (see example below). It requires playing multiple lines to cover all the permutations but the good thing about it is you will likely win multiple times if you get matching numbers.
Say you match 3 balls (1,2 and 3) you will win on Lines 1, 4, 5 and 6 in this example.
if you were to win the jackpot (match all 6). You will get the jackpot payment for line 1 and match 5 on all the other lines (and Camelot will hate you!)
1) 1,2,3,4,5,6
2) 1,3,4,5,6,7
3) 1,2,4,5,6,7
4) 1,2,3,5,6,7
5) 1,2,3,4,6,7
6) 1,2,3,4,5,7
7) 2,3,4,5,6,7 |
Whilst you can improve your odds of winning prizes doing that it's important to point out that you don't improve your odds of winning the jackpot.
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 13:57 - Aug 19 with 1851 views | iamatractorboy |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 13:23 - Aug 19 by blueasfook |
The best way to reduce your odds (and increase your wins) is a wheeling system. You basically add an extra number into your selection so for the UK lotto (where you pick 6 numbers), you can choose 7 numbers (see example below). It requires playing multiple lines to cover all the permutations but the good thing about it is you will likely win multiple times if you get matching numbers.
Say you match 3 balls (1,2 and 3) you will win on Lines 1, 4, 5 and 6 in this example.
if you were to win the jackpot (match all 6). You will get the jackpot payment for line 1 and match 5 on all the other lines (and Camelot will hate you!)
1) 1,2,3,4,5,6
2) 1,3,4,5,6,7
3) 1,2,4,5,6,7
4) 1,2,3,5,6,7
5) 1,2,3,4,6,7
6) 1,2,3,4,5,7
7) 2,3,4,5,6,7 |
You don't really improve your odds as such, as the expected value of your winnings will be the same, it's just if you catch enough numbers on one combination then your odds of having multiple winning combinations go up. If you miss, then you are more likely to miss on your others too. Sort of like the opposite of hedging your bets really (putting your eggs in fewer baskets??). | | | |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 15:28 - Aug 19 with 1807 views | iamatractorboy |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 12:54 - Aug 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
You pick 5 nos between 1 and 50 and 2 lucky stars between 1 and 12
Match all 7 and you win big, for this the lucky starts are not a factor though as its just the 5 main nos where this can happen. In both cases 4 of the 5 nos were sequential. |
Right, assuming I've done it correctly, I make the odds that you would randomly get 4 of the 5 main number selections as a straight sequence, 2 (and only 2) draws out of 6, is 1 in roughly 67 thousand. So yes pretty unexpected! If you want to see my workings, let me know (as I said, I am a nerd!!) | | | |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 15:48 - Aug 19 with 1786 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 15:28 - Aug 19 by iamatractorboy |
Right, assuming I've done it correctly, I make the odds that you would randomly get 4 of the 5 main number selections as a straight sequence, 2 (and only 2) draws out of 6, is 1 in roughly 67 thousand. So yes pretty unexpected! If you want to see my workings, let me know (as I said, I am a nerd!!) |
No very happy to take you at your word, thanks though. Less than I thought TBF | |
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 15:58 - Aug 19 with 1776 views | blueasfook |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 13:36 - Aug 19 by StokieBlue |
Whilst you can improve your odds of winning prizes doing that it's important to point out that you don't improve your odds of winning the jackpot.
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I think you do (albeit slightly), as you now have a selection of seven numbers covered rather than the normal 6
So the winning numbers could be any combination of 1,2,3,4,5,6 or 7 and you've got it covered. | |
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| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 16:03 - Aug 19 with 1764 views | iamatractorboy |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 15:58 - Aug 19 by blueasfook |
I think you do (albeit slightly), as you now have a selection of seven numbers covered rather than the normal 6
So the winning numbers could be any combination of 1,2,3,4,5,6 or 7 and you've got it covered. |
I think SB meant in comparison to any other random set of the same number of combinations. | | | |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 16:07 - Aug 19 with 1761 views | StokieBlue |
| Sequential numbers on my lucky dip on 15:58 - Aug 19 by blueasfook |
I think you do (albeit slightly), as you now have a selection of seven numbers covered rather than the normal 6
So the winning numbers could be any combination of 1,2,3,4,5,6 or 7 and you've got it covered. |
Indeed but it's no different to picking any other 7 sets of numbers with regards to winning the jackpot.
You can't compare a single entry versus seven entries, only seven entries vs seven entries and there is no difference there with regards to the big money.
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