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I was having a discussion with my mate wether the following scenario is offside or not. I think it's onside, he thinks it's off. Player A passes the ball to Player B who is in an offside position and he scores. However before reaching player B the ball takes a deflection of a defender. Which is correct?
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Clarity on the offside rule. on 00:51 - Mar 30 with 1213 views
Doesn’t there need to be clear intent on the defenders part to play the ball? For example a back pass. Pretty sure that a deflection off a defender will still make the offside attacking players offside.
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Clarity on the offside rule. on 01:20 - Mar 30 with 1190 views
If the defender is making a genuine attempt to play the ball then it would now be considered onside. There was one that Salah scored earlier in the season where he was a mile offside when the ball was played, but because the defender tried to head the ball clear it was considered onside.
Can't give you clarity I'm afraid because by definition its not clear at all. Its up to the official's interpretation of whether the defender "intentionally" played the ball.
Seems completely ridiculous to me. Offside is judged from when the pass is played, so anything that happens subsequently shouldn't affect whether the player was offside or not at the time the pass was played!
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Clarity on the offside rule. on 01:22 - Mar 30 with 1186 views
Clarity on the offside rule. on 00:51 - Mar 30 by MattinLondon
Doesn’t there need to be clear intent on the defenders part to play the ball? For example a back pass. Pretty sure that a deflection off a defender will still make the offside attacking players offside.
That's what I am not sure of. Having watched football for the best part of 35 years the rule still confuses me at times. Even the refs in the VAR office get it wrong after looking at it. A couple of months back VAR ruled that a Brentford goal against Arsenal was onside when it wasn't. In fact there was 2 incidents of offside in the build up and they ruled against both of them.
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Clarity on the offside rule. on 01:24 - Mar 30 with 1183 views
Clarity on the offside rule. on 01:20 - Mar 30 by CrayonKing
If the defender is making a genuine attempt to play the ball then it would now be considered onside. There was one that Salah scored earlier in the season where he was a mile offside when the ball was played, but because the defender tried to head the ball clear it was considered onside.
Can't give you clarity I'm afraid because by definition its not clear at all. Its up to the official's interpretation of whether the defender "intentionally" played the ball.
Seems completely ridiculous to me. Offside is judged from when the pass is played, so anything that happens subsequently shouldn't affect whether the player was offside or not at the time the pass was played!
Lets say the defender reacts to the pass and it bounces of his back.
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Clarity on the offside rule. on 07:12 - Mar 30 with 987 views
Clarity on the offside rule. on 01:22 - Mar 30 by Mercian
That's what I am not sure of. Having watched football for the best part of 35 years the rule still confuses me at times. Even the refs in the VAR office get it wrong after looking at it. A couple of months back VAR ruled that a Brentford goal against Arsenal was onside when it wasn't. In fact there was 2 incidents of offside in the build up and they ruled against both of them.
I’ve now come to the conclusion that I haven’t a clue about offside.
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Clarity on the offside rule. on 07:32 - Mar 30 with 960 views
Clarity on the offside rule. on 01:20 - Mar 30 by CrayonKing
If the defender is making a genuine attempt to play the ball then it would now be considered onside. There was one that Salah scored earlier in the season where he was a mile offside when the ball was played, but because the defender tried to head the ball clear it was considered onside.
Can't give you clarity I'm afraid because by definition its not clear at all. Its up to the official's interpretation of whether the defender "intentionally" played the ball.
Seems completely ridiculous to me. Offside is judged from when the pass is played, so anything that happens subsequently shouldn't affect whether the player was offside or not at the time the pass was played!
Yep, it's a real grey area. I've seen some offsides given where a defender has played the ball deliberately, presumably because the officials have decided they were influenced by the 'offside' attacker to enough of an extent (e.g. they weren't to know the attacker was off, so they deliberately attempted to intercept the ball but made a hash of it and it fell to the attacker, who then scored). But then I have also seen these sorts of scenarios given as goals, precisely because of the defender's actions being deemed as a deliberate play and therefore creating a new phase. The most egregious of these I've seen was in the women's world Cup last time in 2019 when (I think the match involvee Brazil) a defender tried desperately to head a long ball, played over the defence for an onrushing attacker, but merely succeeded in glancing the ball onto the attacker, who promptly scored. In my view, that is offside, certainly by the spirit of the law if not the letter, but a goal was given because it was determined as a deliberate touch by the defender. The point I would make is, there is no way the defender knows for sure the attacker is offside, so she has to try and make that header, otherwise she runs the risk of leaving it for the attacker.
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Clarity on the offside rule. on 07:55 - Mar 30 with 913 views
Clarity on the offside rule. on 00:51 - Mar 30 by MattinLondon
Doesn’t there need to be clear intent on the defenders part to play the ball? For example a back pass. Pretty sure that a deflection off a defender will still make the offside attacking players offside.
Is that right though? If the defender is trying to get to a ball because he thinks that it's going through to the offside attacker, but doesn't know that the attacker is offside then the offside attacker has influenced the game, and whether or not the defender intentionally diverts the ball should not matter. It should be given as offside.
Edit: Sorry Matt, I didn't read you post very well! I think my point is right, but not in response to your post re. back-pass rather than attempted interception.
IFAB laws of the game says the defender has to deliberately play the ball for the attacker to not be offsiide
"A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
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gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has: rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent been deliberately saved by any opponent
A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent."
So it's offside for a rebound or deflection not offside if the defender deliberately plays the ball.
Clarity on the offside rule. on 01:22 - Mar 30 by Mercian
That's what I am not sure of. Having watched football for the best part of 35 years the rule still confuses me at times. Even the refs in the VAR office get it wrong after looking at it. A couple of months back VAR ruled that a Brentford goal against Arsenal was onside when it wasn't. In fact there was 2 incidents of offside in the build up and they ruled against both of them.
Watching that, it's just bonkers. How are the officials supposed to sort that out? So many close calls and interpretations. You might as well toss a coin to see if it stands or not.
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