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Trouble with this poll is that not only is it in danger of splitting the 'No' vote because of two options but those two options have come up yellow and green!
They’re very similar from why can be seen from an outside perspective, which is very limited.
Both are pound note first and foremost with every decision made, neither are football men hence neither really know how to run a football club.
A nice similarity that springs to mind is the eye watering length of contracts they hand out, Paul Lambert 5 years, Alan Pardew got an 8 year deal at Newcastle, only concluded this year! ( At least Pardew got a contract off the back of finishing 5th in the Premier League.
He’s clearly no football man Ashley, but he isn’t ‘that’ bad.
Ashley is a despicable c**t and shouldn't be let near ITFC. If all you're after is simply more money being invested then he may do that, but if that's all you care about then you're part of the problem that's killing football.
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Would you trade Marcus Evans for Mike Ashley? on 07:51 - Apr 16 with 1163 views
Would you trade Marcus Evans for Mike Ashley? on 00:46 - Apr 16 by TheTrueBlue1878
They’re very similar from why can be seen from an outside perspective, which is very limited.
Both are pound note first and foremost with every decision made, neither are football men hence neither really know how to run a football club.
A nice similarity that springs to mind is the eye watering length of contracts they hand out, Paul Lambert 5 years, Alan Pardew got an 8 year deal at Newcastle, only concluded this year! ( At least Pardew got a contract off the back of finishing 5th in the Premier League.
He’s clearly no football man Ashley, but he isn’t ‘that’ bad.
I don't think they are similar at all other than they have both not lived up to fans expectations.
Would you trade Marcus Evans for Mike Ashley? on 07:51 - Apr 16 by Terry_Nutkins
I don't think they are similar at all other than they have both not lived up to fans expectations.
I think they are, I read a long piece on Ashley yesterday and a lot jumps out as to how Evans runs things here:
"The list goes on: cups not being “a priority;” a failure to significantly improve the training ground or stadium; a club stripped back to its sinews when it could be a beacon for its city and the region. "
A fresh direction is way overdue. This season, up to 10,000 half-season tickets were given away; for such a ruthless businessman, it was the ultimate fail,
Ashley would demur. “What he would say is, ‘Hey, I bought it – you didn’t. I spent my money on it,’” an associate says. “The thing that really annoys him, really pisses him off, is that he’s spent his own money on Newcastle and hasn’t made a penny out of it. And the last lot, Freddy Shepherd and Sir John Hall [See David Sheepshanks], made a load of money from the club and people loved them, but they hate him. If you’re going to be fair, you have to point that out.”
“I met him at a couple of games in the mid-1990s, when one or another of the big sports brands invited us to their box, and it was very evident to me that he knew sweet FA about football,”
“He bought Newcastle as a marketing vehicle and for its investment potential,”
It did not last, though, with club and owner trapped in a loveless and financially sound marriage ever since;
Ashley was quizzical and curious, but usually elsewhere. He had ideas, but they seemed half thought-out. “I remember Mike and the people around him saying that if Newcastle takes up more than a certain percentage of his time then it was a poor use of it because that’s not where his profits lie,” a former senior employee says. “The club just couldn’t command that much of his time, so he couldn’t give it the attention it deserved.” One Newcastle player describes him as “an absentee landlord.”
“That was part of the problem and so was his frustration with the machinery of football,” the employee continues. “He wanted to smash through the norm of paying agents for every deal. He wanted to pay for players up front rather than buying them on the never-never. That made a lot of sense, but unless every club had the same view, nothing would change. At Sports Direct, he was used to being fleet-footed.
Ashley has always surrounded himself with loyal lieutenants, a trait which has not served him well at Newcastle. “Something like changing the name of the stadium just came out of thin air as far as we could see,” one former colleague says. “I still think that was Mike having a social chat with colleagues or friends and someone suggesting it and him saying, ‘Yeah, f**k it, to hell with the consequences because I shake things up, I’m a disrupter.’
“I don’t think he’s concerned about his reputation in that sense. He’s thick-skinned like that. A lot of those decisions felt very knee-jerk, but he put a lot of stock in the advice of friends, even if some didn’t have a clue, whether about football, Newcastle, the fans. You can put Joe Kinnear in that camp of close advisers. Justin Barnes is another. Derek Llambias. Keith Bishop, his PR man. He has a small group of trusted allies and once he trusts you, it’s with everything.
“It felt like he took some of those big decisions over a night out in Soho, people telling him who the club needed to sign or whatever. It was really odd. He seemed just to grasp at any little pockets of advice he’d get from people he trusted. That’s been his downfall.”
Would you trade Marcus Evans for Mike Ashley? on 00:46 - Apr 16 by TheTrueBlue1878
They’re very similar from why can be seen from an outside perspective, which is very limited.
Both are pound note first and foremost with every decision made, neither are football men hence neither really know how to run a football club.
A nice similarity that springs to mind is the eye watering length of contracts they hand out, Paul Lambert 5 years, Alan Pardew got an 8 year deal at Newcastle, only concluded this year! ( At least Pardew got a contract off the back of finishing 5th in the Premier League.
He’s clearly no football man Ashley, but he isn’t ‘that’ bad.
Not far wrong with that. A lot of the anger against Ashley has come from Newcastle fans' expectation that they should be in the Prem and doing well. Whereas they have often struggled, getting relegated twice and not matched the big spending or shrewd hirings* of other clubs.
* Tho Hughton and Benitez were not bad as managers.
Would you trade Marcus Evans for Mike Ashley? on 08:28 - Apr 16 by itfcjoe
I think they are, I read a long piece on Ashley yesterday and a lot jumps out as to how Evans runs things here:
"The list goes on: cups not being “a priority;” a failure to significantly improve the training ground or stadium; a club stripped back to its sinews when it could be a beacon for its city and the region. "
A fresh direction is way overdue. This season, up to 10,000 half-season tickets were given away; for such a ruthless businessman, it was the ultimate fail,
Ashley would demur. “What he would say is, ‘Hey, I bought it – you didn’t. I spent my money on it,’” an associate says. “The thing that really annoys him, really pisses him off, is that he’s spent his own money on Newcastle and hasn’t made a penny out of it. And the last lot, Freddy Shepherd and Sir John Hall [See David Sheepshanks], made a load of money from the club and people loved them, but they hate him. If you’re going to be fair, you have to point that out.”
“I met him at a couple of games in the mid-1990s, when one or another of the big sports brands invited us to their box, and it was very evident to me that he knew sweet FA about football,”
“He bought Newcastle as a marketing vehicle and for its investment potential,”
It did not last, though, with club and owner trapped in a loveless and financially sound marriage ever since;
Ashley was quizzical and curious, but usually elsewhere. He had ideas, but they seemed half thought-out. “I remember Mike and the people around him saying that if Newcastle takes up more than a certain percentage of his time then it was a poor use of it because that’s not where his profits lie,” a former senior employee says. “The club just couldn’t command that much of his time, so he couldn’t give it the attention it deserved.” One Newcastle player describes him as “an absentee landlord.”
“That was part of the problem and so was his frustration with the machinery of football,” the employee continues. “He wanted to smash through the norm of paying agents for every deal. He wanted to pay for players up front rather than buying them on the never-never. That made a lot of sense, but unless every club had the same view, nothing would change. At Sports Direct, he was used to being fleet-footed.
Ashley has always surrounded himself with loyal lieutenants, a trait which has not served him well at Newcastle. “Something like changing the name of the stadium just came out of thin air as far as we could see,” one former colleague says. “I still think that was Mike having a social chat with colleagues or friends and someone suggesting it and him saying, ‘Yeah, f**k it, to hell with the consequences because I shake things up, I’m a disrupter.’
“I don’t think he’s concerned about his reputation in that sense. He’s thick-skinned like that. A lot of those decisions felt very knee-jerk, but he put a lot of stock in the advice of friends, even if some didn’t have a clue, whether about football, Newcastle, the fans. You can put Joe Kinnear in that camp of close advisers. Justin Barnes is another. Derek Llambias. Keith Bishop, his PR man. He has a small group of trusted allies and once he trusts you, it’s with everything.
“It felt like he took some of those big decisions over a night out in Soho, people telling him who the club needed to sign or whatever. It was really odd. He seemed just to grasp at any little pockets of advice he’d get from people he trusted. That’s been his downfall.”
This is the problem with an either/or poll, it narrows the issue down to two daft choices (or 'not sure', which could be even dafter). The wrong question is being asked and it limits the outlook to a dramatically narrow and unambitious level.
Not a serious question really because both are in it for what they can get...and you can get a lot more from Newcastle then you can from Town. A bit like when the porn merchants left Brum and ran their slide rule over Town before plumping for West Ham.
Other than that obvious aside, in that Ashley wouldnt touch Town with a barge pole, they have a lot in common....arrogant incompetent asset strippers who think the same model can be applied to everything they touch.
Would you trade Marcus Evans for Mike Ashley? on 08:54 - Apr 16 by Guthrum
Not far wrong with that. A lot of the anger against Ashley has come from Newcastle fans' expectation that they should be in the Prem and doing well. Whereas they have often struggled, getting relegated twice and not matched the big spending or shrewd hirings* of other clubs.
* Tho Hughton and Benitez were not bad as managers.
It is probably expectation up there that is made Ashley's tenure seem clouded.
I don't know all the facts of course, but I am pretty sure they have been in Europe, finished 5th, broke their own transfer record twice I believe. They have a wage bill in the Premier League of 13th but want to be finishing 6th, it doesn't add.
As stated, he isn't a football man by any stretch, but it hasn't all been doom and gloom there.
Would you trade Marcus Evans for Mike Ashley? on 09:06 - Apr 16 by WeWereZombies
This is the problem with an either/or poll, it narrows the issue down to two daft choices (or 'not sure', which could be even dafter). The wrong question is being asked and it limits the outlook to a dramatically narrow and unambitious level.
If Suffolk people were given the choice between someone who talks a lot, but knows little about football, or someone who seldom says a word. but also knows nothing about football, their choice would be a clear one.
Would you trade Marcus Evans for Mike Ashley? on 12:18 - Apr 16 by TheTrueBlue1878
It is probably expectation up there that is made Ashley's tenure seem clouded.
I don't know all the facts of course, but I am pretty sure they have been in Europe, finished 5th, broke their own transfer record twice I believe. They have a wage bill in the Premier League of 13th but want to be finishing 6th, it doesn't add.
As stated, he isn't a football man by any stretch, but it hasn't all been doom and gloom there.
They broke their transfer record last year, up until then their record signing was Michael Owen - that's mental when you see how the game has changed in the time between the two signings.
They finished 5th one season, 10th twice and bottom half every other year including 2 relegations - thats a pretty rubbish 12 years or so considering they had been big hitters, with big attendances and budgets up until then
They should be pushing on more than they have, and will do now with new owners
Would you trade Marcus Evans for Mike Ashley? on 12:22 - Apr 16 by monty_radio
If Suffolk people were given the choice between someone who talks a lot, but knows little about football, or someone who seldom says a word. but also knows nothing about football, their choice would be a clear one.
As I said, ask the wrong question and you will not get a useful answer. I might even go so far as suggesting that the right question is 'Who do you think would make the best job of owning Ipswich Town Football Club?'
Would you trade Marcus Evans for Mike Ashley? on 08:28 - Apr 16 by itfcjoe
I think they are, I read a long piece on Ashley yesterday and a lot jumps out as to how Evans runs things here:
"The list goes on: cups not being “a priority;” a failure to significantly improve the training ground or stadium; a club stripped back to its sinews when it could be a beacon for its city and the region. "
A fresh direction is way overdue. This season, up to 10,000 half-season tickets were given away; for such a ruthless businessman, it was the ultimate fail,
Ashley would demur. “What he would say is, ‘Hey, I bought it – you didn’t. I spent my money on it,’” an associate says. “The thing that really annoys him, really pisses him off, is that he’s spent his own money on Newcastle and hasn’t made a penny out of it. And the last lot, Freddy Shepherd and Sir John Hall [See David Sheepshanks], made a load of money from the club and people loved them, but they hate him. If you’re going to be fair, you have to point that out.”
“I met him at a couple of games in the mid-1990s, when one or another of the big sports brands invited us to their box, and it was very evident to me that he knew sweet FA about football,”
“He bought Newcastle as a marketing vehicle and for its investment potential,”
It did not last, though, with club and owner trapped in a loveless and financially sound marriage ever since;
Ashley was quizzical and curious, but usually elsewhere. He had ideas, but they seemed half thought-out. “I remember Mike and the people around him saying that if Newcastle takes up more than a certain percentage of his time then it was a poor use of it because that’s not where his profits lie,” a former senior employee says. “The club just couldn’t command that much of his time, so he couldn’t give it the attention it deserved.” One Newcastle player describes him as “an absentee landlord.”
“That was part of the problem and so was his frustration with the machinery of football,” the employee continues. “He wanted to smash through the norm of paying agents for every deal. He wanted to pay for players up front rather than buying them on the never-never. That made a lot of sense, but unless every club had the same view, nothing would change. At Sports Direct, he was used to being fleet-footed.
Ashley has always surrounded himself with loyal lieutenants, a trait which has not served him well at Newcastle. “Something like changing the name of the stadium just came out of thin air as far as we could see,” one former colleague says. “I still think that was Mike having a social chat with colleagues or friends and someone suggesting it and him saying, ‘Yeah, f**k it, to hell with the consequences because I shake things up, I’m a disrupter.’
“I don’t think he’s concerned about his reputation in that sense. He’s thick-skinned like that. A lot of those decisions felt very knee-jerk, but he put a lot of stock in the advice of friends, even if some didn’t have a clue, whether about football, Newcastle, the fans. You can put Joe Kinnear in that camp of close advisers. Justin Barnes is another. Derek Llambias. Keith Bishop, his PR man. He has a small group of trusted allies and once he trusts you, it’s with everything.
“It felt like he took some of those big decisions over a night out in Soho, people telling him who the club needed to sign or whatever. It was really odd. He seemed just to grasp at any little pockets of advice he’d get from people he trusted. That’s been his downfall.”
I see what you are saying but I was probably misinterpreting your original angle. I was more from a person point of view. They are very very different people. Ashley really is a terrible terrible guy. Time and again he exploits his workers and is always screwing someone over. I don't honestly think Evans is a bad guy. He just got involved in a club with some.cash to.spend and likely had some.bad advice on what it would cost to get us up (and football.money changed big time in a short space of time). He's in a limbo spscd now where he can't afford to throw cash at it but is .losing money year on year!
I suspect Ashley will walk away better off then Evans will.
I do see where you are.coming from as well though.
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