| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. 09:14 - Jun 13 with 2162 views | ArnieM |
My impression from this article is that many of that squad were physically and mentally simply did not have the attributes to maintain the standards required throughout the whole season. They either got injured or simply tailed off in form …. I’d hazard a guess the dome of the younger players held up by fans as “ one of our own” and ones to build the new team around are viewed as simply too lightweight to get us out of this division - the primary first target. The science and data approach to our recruitment is starting to take shape in that the players coming in are already physically much bigger and stronger than those about to leave or who have already left .
I think this season will be the first time I can remember a Town side having some physical presence . So often teams have come to PR and simply steam-rollered us out of the game. Hopefully this is now consigned to history …….
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/mark-ashton-on-building-new-itfc-squad
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| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 09:21 - Jun 13 with 2016 views | unstableblue |
Definitely agree our academy output of late has perhaps been too lightweight mentally and physically.
I am very interested in comments on existing players having a role.
We know that’s KVY and Norwood, we also think it’s a fit again Nolan. But I’m not clear who else??
––––––––– And he stressed that there are players who pulled a Town shirt on last season who still very much have a key role to play in the future of the club.
"Yeah, for sure", Ashton responded, when asked if there were players already at Portman Road whom Paul Cook wants to build around.
"It's very fluid, and there are a number of players in there that he's said to me 'I want those here.'
"But with every player you can never say never. I've learned that before. The key piece is to assemble a team, and a team that work and perform in a way Paul's shape is and he wants them to perform. |  |
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| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 09:21 - Jun 13 with 2005 views | PositivelyPortman |
I agree wholeheartedly.
We’ve been too weak and obliging to the opposition for many years. |  |
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| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 09:39 - Jun 13 with 1857 views | Steve_M |
Given that the club have run everything off-field in a half-arsed way for over a decade, something compounded by Lambert losing the fitness coach mid-way through last season, then it is clear that the majority of the blame does not sit with the players - however much some people want that to become the dominant narrative.
The players who have failed are those Hurst expensively brought in, none of whom have properly established themselves in three years at the club. The older, more experienced players - Chambers, Ward, Judge, Wilson - have had the professionalism to look after themselves and the younger players have been erratic as would be expected given the mess at the club but the great gaping hole is that we have no players of peak age who are consistently good enough.
This whole idea that players weren’t trying also ignores the impact of a condensed season and the covid outbreak at the club, it’s clear that the disease impacts physical fitness in many, even after they have apparently recovered. This season should not be taken as a proxy for every other possible season, here or elsewhere.
And if you can’t remember ITFC sides with physical presence then you aren’t remembering Mick McCarthy’s teams, because they had that as well as the ability to play a bit. One of the reasons Hurst raised concerned was in the cavalier disregard to Championship experience - it’s a gritty, attritional league with very little time and space. [Post edited 13 Jun 2021 9:47]
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| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 09:47 - Jun 13 with 1762 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
You are describing a culture here. Those players who have developed within that culture are bound to be most affected by it.
I am sure that when you put Downes in a different culture he will show the right application. Which others will time will tell.
The most important thing for ITFC has been to change the culture. Moving out most of the players for whom the culture has become ingrained is inevitable really. |  |
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| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 09:49 - Jun 13 with 1738 views | Basuco |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 09:21 - Jun 13 by unstableblue |
Definitely agree our academy output of late has perhaps been too lightweight mentally and physically.
I am very interested in comments on existing players having a role.
We know that’s KVY and Norwood, we also think it’s a fit again Nolan. But I’m not clear who else??
––––––––– And he stressed that there are players who pulled a Town shirt on last season who still very much have a key role to play in the future of the club.
"Yeah, for sure", Ashton responded, when asked if there were players already at Portman Road whom Paul Cook wants to build around.
"It's very fluid, and there are a number of players in there that he's said to me 'I want those here.'
"But with every player you can never say never. I've learned that before. The key piece is to assemble a team, and a team that work and perform in a way Paul's shape is and he wants them to perform. |
An ex player on an under the cosh interview who is now coaching at youth level, said that he is shocked and surprised that so many youth players up and down the Country are exactly the same, mentally very light weight. Razor Ruddock said when he was an U18 England international all his team mates were 1st team regulars in the top division at their respective clubs, which is far from the case now. On the injury front I think many players, not just Ipswich players, did not keep fit during lockdown, did not do the runs and general core fitness during the extended break and that has led to injuries. Two things that could easily have been done alone while isolating, but it looks/sounds like core fitness is going to be addressed much more seriously now, at least I hope will be. |  | | |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 09:49 - Jun 13 with 1732 views | saffers12 |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 09:47 - Jun 13 by Nthsuffolkblue |
You are describing a culture here. Those players who have developed within that culture are bound to be most affected by it.
I am sure that when you put Downes in a different culture he will show the right application. Which others will time will tell.
The most important thing for ITFC has been to change the culture. Moving out most of the players for whom the culture has become ingrained is inevitable really. |
I agree as a teacher we often move students in different groups. Once in a group with a stronger work ethic then generally always tend to work harder |  | | |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 09:57 - Jun 13 with 1676 views | HARRY10 |
You don't need a 'science and data' approach to work out whether a player is physically string enough for the job.
And if a player is not fit enough or motivated enough, then that is down to them - not any lack of fitness coach.
Players need to be self-motivated and have the drive to succeed. Something Cook saw was lacking in so many of the squad. I suspect that there has been a culture if accepting mediocrity around the club for a long while - stemming from an almost indifference from Evans.
You did not need to study stats of any similar mumbo jumbo to see our players were not fully committed for the whole 90 minutes, nor were they physically strong enough to compete in a more robust league that is L1.
I suspect a few leaving the club this summer will find it a much harsher place away from PR. |  | | |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 10:07 - Jun 13 with 1582 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 09:57 - Jun 13 by HARRY10 |
You don't need a 'science and data' approach to work out whether a player is physically string enough for the job.
And if a player is not fit enough or motivated enough, then that is down to them - not any lack of fitness coach.
Players need to be self-motivated and have the drive to succeed. Something Cook saw was lacking in so many of the squad. I suspect that there has been a culture if accepting mediocrity around the club for a long while - stemming from an almost indifference from Evans.
You did not need to study stats of any similar mumbo jumbo to see our players were not fully committed for the whole 90 minutes, nor were they physically strong enough to compete in a more robust league that is L1.
I suspect a few leaving the club this summer will find it a much harsher place away from PR. |
"Physically string [sic] enough" conjures an image.
You do not give sufficient credit to the fact these are teenagers in a particular culture. Even adults are majorly affected by the culture we are in. Ultimately it is down to the individual but living counter-culturally takes a lot of character and resilience. | |
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| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 10:09 - Jun 13 with 1567 views | ArnieM |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 09:57 - Jun 13 by HARRY10 |
You don't need a 'science and data' approach to work out whether a player is physically string enough for the job.
And if a player is not fit enough or motivated enough, then that is down to them - not any lack of fitness coach.
Players need to be self-motivated and have the drive to succeed. Something Cook saw was lacking in so many of the squad. I suspect that there has been a culture if accepting mediocrity around the club for a long while - stemming from an almost indifference from Evans.
You did not need to study stats of any similar mumbo jumbo to see our players were not fully committed for the whole 90 minutes, nor were they physically strong enough to compete in a more robust league that is L1.
I suspect a few leaving the club this summer will find it a much harsher place away from PR. |
Harry, I would say Towns recruitment policy , historically has been very haphazard in that we probably rarely did a thorough due diligence on a players attributes,. Maybe we signed players on hearsay , recommendations ( probably by the players agents!), or other clubs trying to offload their damaged goods ( Cardiff, Chopra , and Huws to name but two). I don’t honestly get the feel8mg we were very methodical in our approach. Hence the utter dross and an overinflated squad . Hopefully those days are gone now. | |
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| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 10:12 - Jun 13 with 1544 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 10:09 - Jun 13 by ArnieM |
Harry, I would say Towns recruitment policy , historically has been very haphazard in that we probably rarely did a thorough due diligence on a players attributes,. Maybe we signed players on hearsay , recommendations ( probably by the players agents!), or other clubs trying to offload their damaged goods ( Cardiff, Chopra , and Huws to name but two). I don’t honestly get the feel8mg we were very methodical in our approach. Hence the utter dross and an overinflated squad . Hopefully those days are gone now. |
Our past recruitment has been terrible on many accounts and has left us with a bloated squad of individuals instead of a team with some squad players to back it up. I am certain Cook is working to correct this and hence why so many have to leave. | |
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| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 10:20 - Jun 13 with 1471 views | HARRY10 |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 10:07 - Jun 13 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"Physically string [sic] enough" conjures an image.
You do not give sufficient credit to the fact these are teenagers in a particular culture. Even adults are majorly affected by the culture we are in. Ultimately it is down to the individual but living counter-culturally takes a lot of character and resilience. |
'teenagers' ?
Why have some been kept on, if the culture at the club was all pervasive ?
Evans ran the club on a shoe strong, despite the nonsense about him 'pumping in money' and so we were not signing 'winners'. They might have the ability, but not the commitment over 90 minutes.
What Cook has identified is those who lack that drive, as however hard they are pushed in training they won't deliver consistently on the pitch. | | | |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 10:23 - Jun 13 with 1448 views | Sharkey |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 09:21 - Jun 13 by unstableblue |
Definitely agree our academy output of late has perhaps been too lightweight mentally and physically.
I am very interested in comments on existing players having a role.
We know that’s KVY and Norwood, we also think it’s a fit again Nolan. But I’m not clear who else??
––––––––– And he stressed that there are players who pulled a Town shirt on last season who still very much have a key role to play in the future of the club.
"Yeah, for sure", Ashton responded, when asked if there were players already at Portman Road whom Paul Cook wants to build around.
"It's very fluid, and there are a number of players in there that he's said to me 'I want those here.'
"But with every player you can never say never. I've learned that before. The key piece is to assemble a team, and a team that work and perform in a way Paul's shape is and he wants them to perform. |
"We know that’s KVY "
The fans like him, but has anyone at the club ever said anything in particular about KVY's position? Maybe 'we assume that's KVY...' is more like it at the moment. |  | | |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 10:27 - Jun 13 with 1386 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 10:20 - Jun 13 by HARRY10 |
'teenagers' ?
Why have some been kept on, if the culture at the club was all pervasive ?
Evans ran the club on a shoe strong, despite the nonsense about him 'pumping in money' and so we were not signing 'winners'. They might have the ability, but not the commitment over 90 minutes.
What Cook has identified is those who lack that drive, as however hard they are pushed in training they won't deliver consistently on the pitch. |
"Why have some been kept on, if the culture at the club was all pervasive?"
Because, with a change in culture, the minority either change with it or will also leave.
If you keep most of the 55-man squad on, you cannot change the culture. That was Cook's very public frustration when he came in. | |
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| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 10:38 - Jun 13 with 1295 views | HARRY10 |
| Ashtons words here explain why Town has let so many players leave ….. on 10:27 - Jun 13 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"Why have some been kept on, if the culture at the club was all pervasive?"
Because, with a change in culture, the minority either change with it or will also leave.
If you keep most of the 55-man squad on, you cannot change the culture. That was Cook's very public frustration when he came in. |
So what determined who would leave ?
"those who lack that drive, as however hard they are pushed in training, they won't deliver consistently on the pitch"
perhaps ? | | | |
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