| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 09:33 - Dec 17 with 1610 views | Guthrum |
I think it very unlikely that there will be an overt Russian invasion of Ukraine. As a friend of mine pointed out, Putin is ex-KGB. They were the masters of the undercover operation, not naked brute force.
Throwing actual, badged Russian units into another country would provoke a very strong reaction, possibly military conflict. Dangerous, messy, costly (at a time the home economy is under strain) and not even really necessary.
He can achieve much of what he wants - initially a buffer zone, absorbtion later if he can manage it - through threats (which is what these troop movements represent), the covert backing of rebel groups and electoral manipulation. All with very limited risk. |  |
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| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 09:35 - Dec 17 with 1602 views | NthQldITFC |
Fortunately we've fked the permafrost along with everything else. |  |
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| [Redacted] on 10:07 - Dec 17 with 1533 views | victorywilhappen |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 09:33 - Dec 17 by Guthrum |
I think it very unlikely that there will be an overt Russian invasion of Ukraine. As a friend of mine pointed out, Putin is ex-KGB. They were the masters of the undercover operation, not naked brute force.
Throwing actual, badged Russian units into another country would provoke a very strong reaction, possibly military conflict. Dangerous, messy, costly (at a time the home economy is under strain) and not even really necessary.
He can achieve much of what he wants - initially a buffer zone, absorbtion later if he can manage it - through threats (which is what these troop movements represent), the covert backing of rebel groups and electoral manipulation. All with very limited risk. |
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| [Redacted] on 10:09 - Dec 17 with 1515 views | victorywilhappen |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 09:35 - Dec 17 by NthQldITFC |
Fortunately we've fked the permafrost along with everything else. |
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| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 10:25 - Dec 17 with 1475 views | Guthrum |
Exactly that. At least vaguely plausible deniability, but still exerting pressure. | |
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| [Redacted] on 10:35 - Dec 17 with 1454 views | victorywilhappen |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 10:25 - Dec 17 by Guthrum |
Exactly that. At least vaguely plausible deniability, but still exerting pressure. |
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| [Redacted] on 10:40 - Dec 17 with 1429 views | victorywilhappen |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 10:25 - Dec 17 by Guthrum |
Exactly that. At least vaguely plausible deniability, but still exerting pressure. |
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| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 11:16 - Dec 17 with 1394 views | Steve_M |
Needless to say, Stop Some Wars have commented putting the blame on America:
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| [Redacted] on 13:47 - Dec 17 with 1297 views | victorywilhappen |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 11:16 - Dec 17 by Steve_M |
Needless to say, Stop Some Wars have commented putting the blame on America:
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| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 14:54 - Dec 17 with 1229 views | giant_stow |
Just read that article - if anyone was in any doubt that we're back in cold war (at least) then that list should convince. |  |
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| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 15:06 - Dec 17 with 1211 views | monytowbray |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 11:16 - Dec 17 by Steve_M |
Needless to say, Stop Some Wars have commented putting the blame on America:
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Some of you really need to remove the rent-free vision of an imaginary Corbyn the media painted living in one’s head.
The Tory party operates on Russian money and bribes I should add. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 15:07]
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| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 15:15 - Dec 17 with 1186 views | giant_stow |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 15:06 - Dec 17 by monytowbray |
Some of you really need to remove the rent-free vision of an imaginary Corbyn the media painted living in one’s head.
The Tory party operates on Russian money and bribes I should add. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 15:07]
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Two things can be true at once innit?
The Tories take Russian money and Corbyn downplayed the Salisbury attack and all the rest of it. | |
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| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 15:24 - Dec 17 with 1166 views | Steve_M |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 15:06 - Dec 17 by monytowbray |
Some of you really need to remove the rent-free vision of an imaginary Corbyn the media painted living in one’s head.
The Tory party operates on Russian money and bribes I should add. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 15:07]
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Was it an imaginary Andrew Murray who wrote the piece of pro-Putin propaganda quoted in that tweet?
Fortunately it's less relevant now than the Russian money that the Tory party so enjoys taking but it's no less depressing given how central Murray was to Corbyn's Labour. | |
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| [Redacted] on 15:46 - Dec 17 with 1119 views | victorywilhappen |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 14:54 - Dec 17 by giant_stow |
Just read that article - if anyone was in any doubt that we're back in cold war (at least) then that list should convince. |
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| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 16:26 - Dec 17 with 1045 views | monytowbray |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 15:15 - Dec 17 by giant_stow |
Two things can be true at once innit?
The Tories take Russian money and Corbyn downplayed the Salisbury attack and all the rest of it. |
When did he “downplay” the Salisbury attack?
Every time you post you again demonstrate you have more in common with your easily appeased right wing rag brain washing than any left wing thought that could change the establishment. | |
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| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 16:31 - Dec 17 with 1033 views | monytowbray |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 15:24 - Dec 17 by Steve_M |
Was it an imaginary Andrew Murray who wrote the piece of pro-Putin propaganda quoted in that tweet?
Fortunately it's less relevant now than the Russian money that the Tory party so enjoys taking but it's no less depressing given how central Murray was to Corbyn's Labour. |
To he honest I trust neither Biden or Putin. | |
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| [Redacted] on 16:42 - Dec 17 with 1018 views | victorywilhappen |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 16:31 - Dec 17 by monytowbray |
To he honest I trust neither Biden or Putin. |
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| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 17:56 - Dec 17 with 943 views | giant_stow |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 16:26 - Dec 17 by monytowbray |
When did he “downplay” the Salisbury attack?
Every time you post you again demonstrate you have more in common with your easily appeased right wing rag brain washing than any left wing thought that could change the establishment. |
I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds bad.
In fairness, 'downplay' was a lazy choice of words by me, but he was one of the few political voices in the free world casting doubt on their guilt. | |
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| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 19:36 - Dec 17 with 863 views | monytowbray |
| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 17:56 - Dec 17 by giant_stow |
I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds bad.
In fairness, 'downplay' was a lazy choice of words by me, but he was one of the few political voices in the free world casting doubt on their guilt. |
He said it’s likely Russia but we should not jump to conclusions without evidence.
Which is sensible and how a democratic legal system works.
Meanwhile the party we have take a step to rip up our rights almost weekly at this point.
BUT CORBYN. Zzz. | |
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| Not so quiet on the eastern front. on 20:55 - Dec 17 with 808 views | Oldsmoker |
Military vehicle parks in Russia are hard to find.
(No they're not, there's feckin' hundreds of them)
The only vehicle park big enough is on the Russia/Ukraine border.
(Bit of a pig actually. Softening Permafrost amd all that)
I know where you live
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