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Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... 15:30 - Jun 9 with 1499 views

2 British Nationals and Morrocan National have been sentenced to death after "admitting" to "training to conduct terrorist activity".

All were enlisted men in the Ukrainian armed forces and SHOULD have the full protection of the Geneva Convention, but Vlad DPR poodles are flagrantly disregarding this.

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 15:55 - Jun 9 with 1428 views

SuperKieranMcKenna

Yep essentially his own version of the “Commando Order”.

For someone who claims to be fighting Nazi’s he’s certainly copying a lot from their playbook. “Liberation of oppressed ethnic Germans, sorry Russians”.

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 16:48 - Jun 9 with 1337 views

Kievthegreat

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 15:55 - Jun 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna
Yep essentially his own version of the “Commando Order”. For someone who claims to be fighting Nazi’s he’s certainly copying a lot from their playbook. “Liberation of oppressed ethnic Germans, sorry Russians”.

I suppose the only difference is the world didn't look the other way when he wanted to annex the rest of Czechoslovakia...I mean Ukraine.

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 17:01 - Jun 9 with 1301 views

HARRY10

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 15:55 - Jun 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna
Yep essentially his own version of the “Commando Order”. For someone who claims to be fighting Nazi’s he’s certainly copying a lot from their playbook. “Liberation of oppressed ethnic Germans, sorry Russians”.

Or for someone (Putin)who gas read the Russian version of the Idiot's Guide to Negotiation.

Russia suspended capital punishment in 1996 - so it is hardly likely they are going to start now.

Ukraine has a number of Russian soldiers convicted of what would be thought 'crimes'.

Hmmm, how does Russia get them back ?

Why, a prisoner exchange - like for like (irrespective of what crimes they are supposed to have committed), but equal to the sentence they have been given

Pretty bog standard stuff, nothing to get excited about

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 18:23 - Jun 9 with 1208 views

Churchman

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 17:01 - Jun 9 by HARRY10

‘Nothing to get excited about’. An interesting take that I’m sure would be a relief to the relations of these people.

These are actually Ukrainian nationals now and should have been treated as prisoners of war. But then Russia’s descent to Stalinist style policy has been happening for 20 years.

Fear of Ukrainian retaliation might prevent them doing this but since Putin doesn’t value the lives o& his own soldiers, I’m not holding my breath. He may well decide the value of threat and terror is worth killing prisoners. Interesting article about Putin’s grip in Russia and the death penalty.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/russia-s-dark-path-towards-the-death-penalty

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 18:36 - Jun 9 with 1168 views

Kievthegreat

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 17:01 - Jun 9 by HARRY10

Russia may have suspended capital punishment, but they were technically tried in the puppet state of DPR so they always could do it. I'm sure Russia and their puppet will likely seek to leverage the soldiers, but it's also unlikely they'll get far with it. The UK can't exchange prisoners and I doubt they'll change weapons deliveries or sanctions to get their release. If I was Boris I'd give Zelensky a £1bn check and say order whatever you like from British army stock and do it very publicly.

With regards to Russian soldiers convicted (I think the number is still small at this point), they are in relation to specific incidents and are still done in accordance with the Geneva convention (the death penalty is not available to any PoW).

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 18:48 - Jun 9 with 1130 views

Churchman

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 18:36 - Jun 9 by Kievthegreat

I would do exactly what you suggest and give Zelenski whatever he needs.

Despite being a coward that bit of vermin Putin understands only threat and violence. Shame he’s too well protected to be killed.

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 21:41 - Jun 9 with 1004 views

HARRY10

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 18:36 - Jun 9 by Kievthegreat

I would suggest Russia has thought this through. If they wanted these men dead then they would have simply 'disappeared' in the fog of war.

To counter allegations (evidence) of Russian acts of rape, looting and murder, Western subjects have also been tried and found guilty of 'heinous crimes'. Did anyone think this would not happen - bar those of the Col Blimp mentality, who in the film of that name was outraged by one side (in an exercise) starting an hour early.

Though it should come as no surprise that the rank hypocrisy of righties (and their media) is once again on show. Constant attacks on the ECHR sit ill at ease with their recent bleats about Russia and the Geneva Convention.

These chaps decided to involve themselves in the war. Millions of Ukrainian citizens did not. Nor did the tens of thousands of young Russian conscripts many who have been blasted to pieces, as the footage is often gleefully watched as if it is a video game.

War is not nice. Opting to voluntarily join in should only be with the knowledge of what could happen. How many Afghanees worked for the UK, and were subsequently abandoned to the Taliban when the UK pulled out ?

At the end of WW2 thousands of captured Cossacks were handed over to the Russians, to certain death, whereas Ukrainian SS members (8500) who as part of the Galicia Division were responsible for a number of Oradour sur Glane type atrocities, were shipped to England and within months were freed and allowed to melt into civilian life, none of whom were ever brought to justice.

As well as not being nice, it is complex. To unquestionably take sides is to ape those who you oppose.

Me, I tend to adhere to the words of John Dunne, 'No man is an island ......'

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 22:06 - Jun 9 with 935 views

Swansea_Blue

The pretence is long gone. Putin needs a good kicking, and it’d be easy with conventional weapons as all this conflict has done is show how weak and disorganised his conventional forces are. It’s that nuclear question though isn’t it. I’d bet his nuclear capability is vastly over-hyped and likely to be as equally disorganised/disfunctional well. I wouldn’t bet other peoples lives on it though.

You’d have thought MI6 and/or the USA’s NSA would have got close enough to his inner circle by now to arrange taking him out.

Poll:

Do you think Pert is key to all of this?

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 23:05 - Jun 9 with 885 views

Churchman

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 21:41 - Jun 9 by HARRY10

Are you happy that the Russians have in invaded a sovereign country and basically chewed it and it’s people up? It would seem you are.

What on earth are ‘righties’? Anyone that disagrees with you? You use this term all the time. Why do you link politicians’ criticism of the ECHR to what is happening in Ukraine? What has the shambles of the American led abandonment of Afghanistan got to do with Putin’s war? Other of course than a perception from it that the west is weak. Are you saying that the incompetence of the US/U.K. in this somehow justifies Putin’s actions? If not, what are you saying?

These ‘chaps who decided to involve themselves in the war’ were I believe serving already in the Ukrainian army, were they not? But because they were born in this country, I presume from your post you think it’s fair for them to be used in a show trial and die.

I’m not even going to bother with your weird insinuation that what Britain did at the end of WW2 somehow equates to what Stalin did.

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 05:38 - Jun 10 with 761 views

solomon

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 22:06 - Jun 9 by Swansea_Blue

Not so sure. We’ve (western countries) been supplying weapons which has been very good news to the weapon manufacturers. The added bonus of supplying weapons to a real conflict is the data and information collected, there’s nothing like a real theatre of war to really test your weapons in. I would have thought for this reason alone a protracted conflict has advantages for some.

Any Remaining Pretence that Russia Follows the Geneva Convention is discarded... on 23:07 - Jun 10 with 594 views

Churchman

I gather on Russia state television the debate was whether these prisoners should be hanged, shot or quartered. Publicly.

There was a suggestion from one contributor that they might be offered to the UK in return for release of frozen assets and his view was that public pressure and the British media would force Johnson to do just that.

In the face of these possible/probable executions I wonder if Johnson will do a little back door deal? I can see it happening.

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