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Childcare. 19:17 - Feb 10 with 795 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Just read this....
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/10/treasury-considering-huge-expan
....which got me thinking. Personally, regardless of financial consequences it was important to me to spend as much time as possible with Junior in her formative years and I believe it was the most important decision I ever made. How about the government pays a parent rather than shipping the kids into childcare?

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Childcare. on 19:41 - Feb 10 with 722 viewsYallop2

I think there's a balance to be had. My kids I think have developed their social and other skills by having 3 days a week social interaction at nursery with other kids
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Childcare. on 19:50 - Feb 10 with 696 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Childcare. on 19:41 - Feb 10 by Yallop2

I think there's a balance to be had. My kids I think have developed their social and other skills by having 3 days a week social interaction at nursery with other kids


It's a fair point but we had several kids of a similar age around at ours too or took her to theirs.

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Childcare. on 20:00 - Feb 10 with 686 viewsSwansea_Blue

Nice idea, and I agree. I valued the time I spent with our first and wish I had done the same with number 2. But no chance they’d do that. They’re not interested in the parents or the kids. I doubt it will happen, but if it does it will be because of pressure from businesses who can’t get enough staff. Another casualty of Brexit and lifestyle choice changes after covid.

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Childcare. on 20:01 - Feb 10 with 684 viewsclive_baker

Childcare. on 20:00 - Feb 10 by Swansea_Blue

Nice idea, and I agree. I valued the time I spent with our first and wish I had done the same with number 2. But no chance they’d do that. They’re not interested in the parents or the kids. I doubt it will happen, but if it does it will be because of pressure from businesses who can’t get enough staff. Another casualty of Brexit and lifestyle choice changes after covid.


All they’re interested in is votes and lining their own pockets. It’s got feck all to do with the kids.

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Childcare. on 20:02 - Feb 10 with 688 viewsmarvellous

We sent the boy to nursery from 2 years old. After 6 months he was there full time and it's one of the best things we ever did for him. He loved it and he absolutely flourished. When the time came to send him to school you could really tell which children had been to nursery (or at least had regular interaction with children their own age) and those that hadn't!

We could afford for my wife to stay at home but she wanted to return to work to continue with her career progression. Paying her to stay at home would not have helped.
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Childcare. on 20:05 - Feb 10 with 670 viewsgiant_stow

strong opening gambit mr

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Childcare. on 20:02 - Feb 10 by marvellous

We sent the boy to nursery from 2 years old. After 6 months he was there full time and it's one of the best things we ever did for him. He loved it and he absolutely flourished. When the time came to send him to school you could really tell which children had been to nursery (or at least had regular interaction with children their own age) and those that hadn't!

We could afford for my wife to stay at home but she wanted to return to work to continue with her career progression. Paying her to stay at home would not have helped.


very good counter

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Childcare. on 20:17 - Feb 10 with 616 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Childcare. on 20:00 - Feb 10 by Swansea_Blue

Nice idea, and I agree. I valued the time I spent with our first and wish I had done the same with number 2. But no chance they’d do that. They’re not interested in the parents or the kids. I doubt it will happen, but if it does it will be because of pressure from businesses who can’t get enough staff. Another casualty of Brexit and lifestyle choice changes after covid.


Junior has turned out remarkably balanced, as have other kids we know whose parents took a similar approach. As you say the motivation here is the needs of business but I would argue that the long term financial benefits would probably favour what I am suggesting as well as the outcomes in terms of well being.

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Childcare. on 20:22 - Feb 10 with 605 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Childcare. on 20:02 - Feb 10 by marvellous

We sent the boy to nursery from 2 years old. After 6 months he was there full time and it's one of the best things we ever did for him. He loved it and he absolutely flourished. When the time came to send him to school you could really tell which children had been to nursery (or at least had regular interaction with children their own age) and those that hadn't!

We could afford for my wife to stay at home but she wanted to return to work to continue with her career progression. Paying her to stay at home would not have helped.


Just for clarity this could be a father, mother or both thing. Junior was North of 3 when she had a regular pre school place but yes the learning of social skills is definitely of great importance. Having the financial space to chose would be of huge benefit I think.

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Childcare. on 20:26 - Feb 10 with 597 viewsSwansea_Blue

Childcare. on 20:02 - Feb 10 by marvellous

We sent the boy to nursery from 2 years old. After 6 months he was there full time and it's one of the best things we ever did for him. He loved it and he absolutely flourished. When the time came to send him to school you could really tell which children had been to nursery (or at least had regular interaction with children their own age) and those that hadn't!

We could afford for my wife to stay at home but she wanted to return to work to continue with her career progression. Paying her to stay at home would not have helped.


We valued the nursery time too (had a balance, about 50/50 home v nursery for number 1). But it’s worth noting that the timescale you’re talking about (full time from 2 yrs 6 months) is near the end of the Govt’s considered timeframe. They’re talking about from 9 months to 3 years. Our second went into nursery full time from about 12 months - I’m not sure that was the best move. She’s a bit more distant with us than the first, but that could just be down to differences in character.

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Childcare. on 20:37 - Feb 10 with 579 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Childcare. on 20:05 - Feb 10 by giant_stow

strong opening gambit mr


What did I say?

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Childcare. on 20:41 - Feb 10 with 566 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Childcare. on 20:26 - Feb 10 by Swansea_Blue

We valued the nursery time too (had a balance, about 50/50 home v nursery for number 1). But it’s worth noting that the timescale you’re talking about (full time from 2 yrs 6 months) is near the end of the Govt’s considered timeframe. They’re talking about from 9 months to 3 years. Our second went into nursery full time from about 12 months - I’m not sure that was the best move. She’s a bit more distant with us than the first, but that could just be down to differences in character.


A remarkably honest post Swanners and good on you! The foundations are the most important part of a solid structure. In so many ways society is nothing to do with humanity any more.

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Childcare. on 20:47 - Feb 10 with 548 viewsCBBlue

Interesting but seems they are missing an important point. Currently the funding nurseries get for the free childcare barely(if that) covers the costs. This is then reflected in the pay the staff get, around here the nurseries are struggling to retain staff. My local nursery is really good but a number of staff have left over the past year, not to move to another childcare setting but to go into completely different careers that pay better.

Also, reading about them making it easier to become a childminder and increasing the ratio of children to adults makes me very concerned.

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Childcare. on 20:59 - Feb 10 with 516 viewsmarvellous

Childcare. on 20:26 - Feb 10 by Swansea_Blue

We valued the nursery time too (had a balance, about 50/50 home v nursery for number 1). But it’s worth noting that the timescale you’re talking about (full time from 2 yrs 6 months) is near the end of the Govt’s considered timeframe. They’re talking about from 9 months to 3 years. Our second went into nursery full time from about 12 months - I’m not sure that was the best move. She’s a bit more distant with us than the first, but that could just be down to differences in character.


I think it depends on the individual circumstances. Had my wife been a single mother I suspect that the boy would have gone to nursery from about 12 months (the end of wife's paid maternity leave) as she would've need to go to work for, again, career progression, to maintain her lifestyle and to maintain her (relative) sanity!

I can see both sides of the coin. Putting their children in to full time childcare really isn't for everyone. Great if they can afford to be a SAH parent but extremely difficult if they cannot. There is also the question of whether it's fair to send your child to nursery full time. Some need the government's childcare scheme just so they can work to make ends meet

I think lowering the age to 9 months is a good thing. However, I think a better solution would be to give parents a choice of free/subsidised childcare or a payment to care for them themselves.
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