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Reply | A person's right to choose their own pronouns etc.
at 16:41 17 Jun 2022
Earlier I told you how busy I was, how little sleep I'd had, and you very kindly said you hoped I could get more sleep. But now you're demanding that I go back & spend yet more time on you by going through 4 pages of thread to read, pick out & post your comments in question.
I've replied, unwillingly, to your comments only in order to defend myself. Not least because in the past on innumerable occasions, you've jeered at me as "running away" if I didn't. Clearly I can't win.
I'm out. |
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Reply | A person's right to choose their own pronouns etc.
at 11:27 17 Jun 2022
1. Read the thread.
2. For example "But when they differ, you go off on one, downarrow, cry abuse (delete as applicable)."
It's quite funny really, you & a couple of other people downvoted every single post you disagreed with on the thread, but apparently that doesn't count.
As for "crying abuse". I've had torrents of toxic, defamatory abuse aimed at me over the years that were such character assassinations that a few people PMd me out of the blue to say how shocked they were, & offered me support. Needless to say I reported them to Phil & Gav, it's what P & G ask us to do, & they deleted them.
3. The operative word you missed out there but which you included when you first mentioned it, was "happily" (edit "happy to"). I haven't been "happy" to engage with you more than a couple of times over decades, in fact as I said towards the end of that June 3rd/4th thread by '81', I've actively tried to avoid engaging with you recently, as you continually drum up time-wasting arguments out of nothing. And here you are again.
As for monytowbray's last comment, it's called projection. I.e somebody labels another person as doing/saying something or behaving in a way that actually only they themselves, the labeller is doing.
Now just leave me alone please. It's a beautiful sunny day & I have another 100 veg plugs to plant out etc. [Post edited 17 Jun 11:31]
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Reply | A person's right to choose their own pronouns etc.
at 01:58 17 Jun 2022
Everything I've said & asked in this thread has been purely about asking those on the thread to respect others wishes & choices about how they're addressed, as I have shown I respect others (evidenced in the thread multiple times, yet you've conveniently manage to not see any of them). I'm sure you (& they) respect the rights of trans people to be called as they want to be called. Yet somehow according to you, this respect shouldn't be applied to me & other seniors.
I'm sorry you obviously haven't understood a single word I've said on the thread. It's not me that's gone off on one because I've a different opinion. Re-read the thread objectively. You've downarrowed me for my opinions, I retaliated. I had people downvote me for saying I disliked the new home shirt yesterday; someone downvoted me for asking for further info on Umbro's former use of child labour. Down & upvoting are just part & parcel of this forum.
Don't "love" me please, I'm not a "funny" one, I'm just chronically tired (been up for 23 hours now flat out with work apart from a total of 2 hrs off). Arrowing is sometimes just a convenient shortcut & I've given you hundreds of uppies over the years.
I'm also very tired of people creating defamatory myths about me which, because a handful of people including yourself have chosen to pick up & run with them repeatedly over decades, some people (including yourself) have decided are "true". Including the ones you've spun in your post above. It's stressful & time-consuming defending myself against them, time which I don't have.
What you describe as my 38 minute "rant" at J2 was my attempt at a copy & paste in chronologic order, plus summary, of his & my posts, for clarification.
Maybe I shouldn't have posted the joke about his account being hacked, but he & I have been buddies behind the scenes for years & I've enjoyed chatting with him on those occasions. I was concerned something may have changed, hence the joke
If you want the blunt truth, the occasions on which I've been "happy to engage with you" have amounted to about 2 in 15 years. On the other hand you've frequently banged on at me for hours/days, wasting my time, refusing to accept I disagree with you, demanding I reply to you & refusing to recognise I have a life outside this forum. See, eg, thread of June 4th by '81', "Why do the honest, hard working, working class"...
I've asked you before to put me on ignore, you've always refused. Just do it please.
And (edit) Monytowbray is right about this being a ludicrous speck in the eye of earth's current storms, but we might as well all help each other feel as comfortable as possible while we're here, so even less do I get why some people can't resist posting **** at & about others. I'm absolutely sick of it. [Post edited 17 Jun 3:40]
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Reply | A person's right to choose their own pronouns etc.
at 17:04 16 Jun 2022
That's absolutely fine, why wouldn't it be? It's your choice & I'd respect your wishes, just as I hope you & others would respect mine - ie call me Ms (surname) when first meeting, & I'd then say "it's fine to call me (my first name).
In informal contexts anyway. If I were a customer making a complaint to a retailer eg, I'd expect them to stay formal with my surname for at least the first 2 or 3 exchanges. |
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Reply | Anyone else not a fan of the current fashion of...
at 11:15 16 Jun 2022
*This* 👍
Last years were primarily from recycled materials weren't they, & I was happy to buy both on that basis + the NHS support message.
BigCommon also raised the issue of how they were produced - sweat shops somewhere, or?
Won't be buying this year's home one, & very much doubt the away. |
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Reply | Think Planet Blue has crashed
at 11:10 16 Jun 2022
"This site can’t be reached
Check if there is a typo in www.itfcshop.co.uk.
DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_ " |
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Reply | That away kit is SEXY
at 11:02 16 Jun 2022
Likewise, but am actually more extreme about the home kit - hate it, *very* messy imho! |
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Reply | Anyone else not a fan of the current fashion of...
at 10:43 16 Jun 2022
"Busy" is exactly the right word re the home kit, was about to say same - having both the layering *and* the stupidly fussy design of the collar *and* the 3rd colour added into that actually make the whole thing really hard on the eye imho.
Let's hope brilliant play by the bodies wearing them make them hugely attraactive then! |
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Reply | How would you rate the new home kit?
at 10:35 16 Jun 2022
No separate options for home & away, so imho -
Home - very poor, horribly fussy neck design, really dislike it.
Away - very good, love it! |
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Reply | A person's right to choose their own pronouns etc.
at 21:57 15 Jun 2022
That would be about the candidate reading the room (and possibly age difference if the interviewer were say 60-something & candidate 20-something). A top candidate would be shrewd enough to know convention, so would use "Mr" initially, & that already displays a level of awareness & interpersonal skills that most decent businesses are looking for (unless the job were say in the creative arts, eg the candidate was a young actor & the job was in a theatre company of other young actors, which would be v. different. Context is all etc.).
Anyway, I don't get why some people wouldn't want to make others feel as comfortable as possible (within reason of course). We can't do anything on a major level about the world being so full of misery & conflict these days, but helping other people feel less stressed & a wee bit happier by respecting their wishes about what they want to be called, instead of more stressed & less happy, can help our local bit of the world run more smoothly. Why wouldn't anyone want to do that? What's not to like? [Post edited 15 Jun 22:00]
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Reply | The Rwanda plane is empty…
at 15:50 15 Jun 2022
The reference was re a middle-aged techno-phobe being shown by his new daughter-in-law how to play any music on the net through shared house loudspeakers, by switching on his phone's bluetooth.
Which led to her being woken in the wee small hours by her f-i-l moanily w*nking off to porn, distributed at mega decibels throughout their house.
The serial is based on real events decades after the miners strike in 1984. Strike breakers were targeted by someone firing a bow & arrow, managing to kill at least one. |
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Reply | A person's right to choose their own pronouns etc.
at 15:32 15 Jun 2022
Nobody's said they do, & I believe the same respect should be equally applied to people of all ages, all races, all beliefs, all "classes" & all genders.
Hence the thread is about respecting others' wishes to be addressed as they choose, not as you choose. It's just common courtesy. If it's quite rightly applied to all re their gender-fluidity, then why would you choose not to apply it to older people? (or "Royalty" come to that - I've already said calling the Queen "Mrs Windsor" might be acceptable for strong anti-monarchists). |
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Reply | A person's right to choose their own pronouns etc.
at 11:08 15 Jun 2022
Meeting the Queen (or other over 70s) for the first time was the entire context of the thread. My posts have never been about family, friends or social settings.
Out of hundreds of other over 70s who've ever mentioned this, in hospital, retail or other formal settings, I've not encountered even one who'd prefer to be called by their first name by a complete stranger at a first meeting. Indeed, most have vehemently objected to it.
We obviously move in completely different circles.
I just don't have time for the extension into other areas you & J2 have taken the convo into I'm afraid, I'd been referring purely & simply to meeting the Queen & other over 70s for the first time as strangers. I have a massive session planting out etc in the garden now while the weather lasts. |
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Reply | Embarrassing from England
at 10:24 15 Jun 2022
Agree. Liked the look of Tomori & Bowen (didn't watch last night tho). I'd add that perhaps Southgate also needs a holiday for 2-4 weeks - a mental break & refresh/re-think/re-charge. [Post edited 15 Jun 10:28]
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Reply | A person's right to choose their own pronouns etc.
at 10:15 15 Jun 2022
So you forgot the context of the thread and/or misread my posts, went off at a totally different tangent about what you call your elderly relatives & their elderly friends (which nobody was talking about till you introduced it), complained that I was hard work, and then when I take the trouble to explain, it's me that's condescending! 
I hope you will put me on ignore. |
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Reply | The Rwanda plane is empty…
at 10:00 15 Jun 2022
Just make sure you turn off bluetooth first ...
(oblique reference to last night's episode of the excellent new BBC1 prime time drama 'Sherwood'). |
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Reply | 3rd time I've had COVID now
at 09:53 15 Jun 2022
Same nurse thought it likely jab 4 (2nd booster) will be rolled out at same time as the usual autumn flu vaccinations, which would at least cover all seniors if they want it.
As you say, with the current shower still in charge at Westminster though ... |
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Reply | A person's right to choose their own pronouns etc.
at 09:48 15 Jun 2022
I suggest you (& bigDonnie) re-read the thread, including my last reply to J2 (conclusion:
"It is NOT about addressing people you already know, or social contexts like being introduced to friends of friends in a pub - it's about addressing elderly (70+) STRANGERS for THE FIRST TIME in a FORMAL SETTING (eg meeting the Queen at a Palace Garden Party; hospital docs who you don't know from Adam coming to examine you for the first time, etc.)" ). |
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