| Police confirm they have given up 07:39 - Oct 17 with 26265 views | blue_oyster |
We will now be left to fight the evils of everyday crime on our own, as the police have finally confirmed what they have been doing for years -- ignoring the millions of crimes committed on our streets, leaving the old and vulnerable even more exposed and ensuring that our once civil society is over. Now they can justify even more their reasons for standing around with machine guns to 'protect us from terrorism'. What has gone wrong?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/16/low-level-crimes-to-go-uninvesti |  |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 11:30 - Oct 17 with 6099 views | blue_oyster |
| Police confirm they have given up on 09:41 - Oct 17 by Axeldalai_lama |
What's gone "wrong"?
There are now more areas of crime, and more reported crimes. More evidence needs to be collected in more advanced ways.
As always you seem to be acting as if things were better in the good old days when in reality they were just different. There were none of the myriad of cyber crimes we now have to deal with, terrorism, like it or not is a drain on resources, and most would say rightly so.
There are physically more of us.
So loads of reasons that things are stretched, oh and austerity clearly hasn't helped. Both directly and, for example, when cut in other areas like mental health the police are having to deal with things they didn't used to.
What do you think has gone "wrong"? [Post edited 17 Oct 2017 9:43]
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Police used to do a much more effective job with less budget and smaller numbers. They're now doing the wrong thing, which is a waste of money. | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 11:33 - Oct 17 with 6093 views | chicoazul |
| Police confirm they have given up on 11:05 - Oct 17 by Superfrans |
Chronic under-funding. |
They get 11bn a year. |  |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 11:55 - Oct 17 with 6056 views | Darth_Koont |
| Police confirm they have given up on 11:30 - Oct 17 by blue_oyster |
Police used to do a much more effective job with less budget and smaller numbers. They're now doing the wrong thing, which is a waste of money. |
When you say "doing the wrong thing" do you mean that crime and its detection has become far wider and yet more specialised so the Bobby on the Beat becomes a shrinking percentage of police work?
Digital crime alone - and dealing with the huge volume of videos, images and other data evidence this involves — is a completely new field from a generation ago that requires massive resources in staff, systems and training. |  |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 12:41 - Oct 17 with 6031 views | blueconscience |
They seem content just sitting on the side of roads waiting for speeders, so fair play to them. [Post edited 17 Oct 2017 12:48]
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| Police confirm they have given up on 12:42 - Oct 17 with 6027 views | blue_oyster |
| Police confirm they have given up on 11:55 - Oct 17 by Darth_Koont |
When you say "doing the wrong thing" do you mean that crime and its detection has become far wider and yet more specialised so the Bobby on the Beat becomes a shrinking percentage of police work?
Digital crime alone - and dealing with the huge volume of videos, images and other data evidence this involves — is a completely new field from a generation ago that requires massive resources in staff, systems and training. |
Prevention of crime is primary duty of the police, and reason they were formed by Peel in the first place. The less crime there is, the less there is to 'detect'.
Digital crime is a massive problem, and the police currently barely scratch the surface of daily hacks into people bank accounts, card cloning with the vast majority of this new crime either undetected or left to the banks to insure against. | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 13:05 - Oct 17 with 6011 views | gerard1947 |
I can understand why the police are having to cut back on solving crimes such as minor burglaries. Unfortunately it doesn't fully take into account the impact on victims.
In July this year a couple of youngsters broke into a neighbours bungalow. The victims were both in their late 80s, the lady poping to the bathroom in the early hours disturbed the thieves. They pushed her to one side and made their escape taking next to nothing.
The impact of the break in has been immense. The old couple went to their son's to stay and have been too frightened to return. Unfortunately it seemed to break the old boy, he died 2 weeks ago. |  | | |
| Police confirm they have given up on 13:08 - Oct 17 with 6001 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Police confirm they have given up on 12:42 - Oct 17 by blue_oyster |
Prevention of crime is primary duty of the police, and reason they were formed by Peel in the first place. The less crime there is, the less there is to 'detect'.
Digital crime is a massive problem, and the police currently barely scratch the surface of daily hacks into people bank accounts, card cloning with the vast majority of this new crime either undetected or left to the banks to insure against. |
But you seem to agree we need extra police for cyber crime etc, and we need police to do the csi stuff once crimes are committed. You wish to see more police back on the beat too?
That makes sense, but surely is connected to funding, not that in some halcyon days gone by police were optimal and better, and now they are inefficient.
In an ideal world we'd have police to do all the roles necessary but cuts are leading to the unprioritising of more minor crime which nobody thinks is a good thing but some think is necessary. |  | | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 13:11 - Oct 17 with 5995 views | Darth_Koont |
| Police confirm they have given up on 12:42 - Oct 17 by blue_oyster |
Prevention of crime is primary duty of the police, and reason they were formed by Peel in the first place. The less crime there is, the less there is to 'detect'.
Digital crime is a massive problem, and the police currently barely scratch the surface of daily hacks into people bank accounts, card cloning with the vast majority of this new crime either undetected or left to the banks to insure against. |
Digital investigation also extends to online abuse, child sexual abuse, monitoring criminal activity/gangs etc. etc. Lots more (and more effective) ways of stopping crime with these unseen police activities rather than pounding the pavement. | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 14:36 - Oct 17 with 5958 views | blue_oyster |
| Police confirm they have given up on 13:08 - Oct 17 by Axeldalai_lama |
But you seem to agree we need extra police for cyber crime etc, and we need police to do the csi stuff once crimes are committed. You wish to see more police back on the beat too?
That makes sense, but surely is connected to funding, not that in some halcyon days gone by police were optimal and better, and now they are inefficient.
In an ideal world we'd have police to do all the roles necessary but cuts are leading to the unprioritising of more minor crime which nobody thinks is a good thing but some think is necessary. |
Digital crime is a separate issue. Main issue is that police have given up on ordinary, everyday crime by choosing to retreat from the streets. This policy has been in place for a long time, and is not because of recent police cuts (from a record number). | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 15:00 - Oct 17 with 5940 views | WeWereZombies |
| Police confirm they have given up on 12:42 - Oct 17 by blue_oyster |
Prevention of crime is primary duty of the police, and reason they were formed by Peel in the first place. The less crime there is, the less there is to 'detect'.
Digital crime is a massive problem, and the police currently barely scratch the surface of daily hacks into people bank accounts, card cloning with the vast majority of this new crime either undetected or left to the banks to insure against. |
I think you are being economical with the truth in your first sentence, whilst it is the case that first part of principle 1. is prevention there are eight other principles which I would view as ranking equally and needing to be adhered to if the police are to follow Peel's principles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles |  |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 15:03 - Oct 17 with 5936 views | MJallday |
| Police confirm they have given up on 09:30 - Oct 17 by No9 |
As I posted some time ago we have no effective police force
It has been ongoing for sometime just getting worse
In 1987 our local police station was closed down, our reporting police station was nearly 30 miles away. |
im gonna rob your house mate |  |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 15:06 - Oct 17 with 5932 views | baxterbasics |
| Police confirm they have given up on 12:41 - Oct 17 by blueconscience |
They seem content just sitting on the side of roads waiting for speeders, so fair play to them. [Post edited 17 Oct 2017 12:48]
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Yes. Sitting at the side of a roundabout or slip road waiting for easy target driving offences. That, or policing mean things being said on Twitter which is a pathetic use of resource. |  |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 15:18 - Oct 17 with 5923 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Police confirm they have given up on 15:06 - Oct 17 by baxterbasics |
Yes. Sitting at the side of a roundabout or slip road waiting for easy target driving offences. That, or policing mean things being said on Twitter which is a pathetic use of resource. |
Yep, that's literally all they do.
Don't police football matches, public events, there are no anti terror police, none look into rape, child abuse, murder, robbery, gbh, cyber crime, etc etc etc.
They're all just in laybys waiting for speeding motorists, or "on Twitter". | | | |
| Police confirm they have given up on 16:08 - Oct 17 with 5908 views | Radlett_blue |
| Police confirm they have given up on 14:36 - Oct 17 by blue_oyster |
Digital crime is a separate issue. Main issue is that police have given up on ordinary, everyday crime by choosing to retreat from the streets. This policy has been in place for a long time, and is not because of recent police cuts (from a record number). |
It's not the recent cuts, it's been the case for years. I was burgled over 30 years ago (in London) & the police did come round but didn't see much point in fingerprinting or looking for witnesses. It's long been the case that "routine" burglaries, without violence, are low priority as they are treated a petty crime & police have many more important crimes to investigate. I think most people only bother reporting burglaries so that they can get a crime number & make an insurance claim.
Sad, but not surprising. |  |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 16:18 - Oct 17 with 5905 views | WeWereZombies |
| Police confirm they have given up on 16:08 - Oct 17 by Radlett_blue |
It's not the recent cuts, it's been the case for years. I was burgled over 30 years ago (in London) & the police did come round but didn't see much point in fingerprinting or looking for witnesses. It's long been the case that "routine" burglaries, without violence, are low priority as they are treated a petty crime & police have many more important crimes to investigate. I think most people only bother reporting burglaries so that they can get a crime number & make an insurance claim.
Sad, but not surprising. |
Same with damage to motors, my car suffered a few hundred pounds worth of damage when it was parked and persons unknown, presumably, drove into it and drove off. I didn't expect the police to find the culprit but I had to make the two mile trudge to the next town (and find that the station was closed and then do it again) just to get a crime number because the insurance claim demanded it.
I'm doing a short forensics course at the moment and one student has objected to the term 'volume' crimes to distinguish them from serious crimes because when a handbag is snatched it is serious to the victim. Another has, in all seriousness, related a comment by police that she was told they took two hours to come and investigate a burglary because they had put a up a two mile cordon and were doing a fingertip search before they got to the house (see clip from The Big Lebowski' earlier in thread). | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 16:37 - Oct 17 with 5894 views | Superfrans |
| Police confirm they have given up on 11:33 - Oct 17 by chicoazul |
They get 11bn a year. |
WTF does that mean/prove?
Depending how you calculate it, police funding fell 14%, 20% or 25% in five years up to 2016. And we wonder why the police can't do things they used to - like fight crime. |  |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 16:56 - Oct 17 with 5884 views | Radlett_blue |
| Police confirm they have given up on 16:37 - Oct 17 by Superfrans |
WTF does that mean/prove?
Depending how you calculate it, police funding fell 14%, 20% or 25% in five years up to 2016. And we wonder why the police can't do things they used to - like fight crime. |
Probably as much as 30% of the police budget now goes into pensions. Hence the amount available for "front line policing" has been further squeezed, after all the increased in bureaucracy. | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 17:10 - Oct 17 with 5868 views | blue_oyster |
| Police confirm they have given up on 16:08 - Oct 17 by Radlett_blue |
It's not the recent cuts, it's been the case for years. I was burgled over 30 years ago (in London) & the police did come round but didn't see much point in fingerprinting or looking for witnesses. It's long been the case that "routine" burglaries, without violence, are low priority as they are treated a petty crime & police have many more important crimes to investigate. I think most people only bother reporting burglaries so that they can get a crime number & make an insurance claim.
Sad, but not surprising. |
Indeed. Note how even we are taught to use the description of this crime as 'petty', as if we are causing an inconvenience by even mentioning it. | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 17:15 - Oct 17 with 5859 views | WeWereZombies |
| Police confirm they have given up on 17:10 - Oct 17 by blue_oyster |
Indeed. Note how even we are taught to use the description of this crime as 'petty', as if we are causing an inconvenience by even mentioning it. |
I have always taken the term petty crime to be pejorative towards the criminal, regarding the perpetrator as a nuisance and having a poor choice in their actions, never once thought of it the other way round as you appear to do. | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 17:17 - Oct 17 with 5855 views | blue_oyster |
| Police confirm they have given up on 15:00 - Oct 17 by WeWereZombies |
I think you are being economical with the truth in your first sentence, whilst it is the case that first part of principle 1. is prevention there are eight other principles which I would view as ranking equally and needing to be adhered to if the police are to follow Peel's principles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles |
All nine would be a dream. Just the first one would be a start. The police have forgotten their duty and now prefer to dress like Robocop than be a friendly help to the public. Crime has soared as a result of their actions. | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 17:23 - Oct 17 with 5852 views | Darth_Koont |
| Police confirm they have given up on 17:10 - Oct 17 by blue_oyster |
Indeed. Note how even we are taught to use the description of this crime as 'petty', as if we are causing an inconvenience by even mentioning it. |
Oh dear.
Whether petty crime is prioritized by police or more importantly the government that forces them to prioritize through limited funding, it's not about conflating meanings of words in order to create your "point".
Petty just means a lesser category of CRIME compared to ooh, I don't know rape, murder, violent assault, armed robbery etc. | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 17:29 - Oct 17 with 5841 views | Darth_Koont |
| Police confirm they have given up on 17:17 - Oct 17 by blue_oyster |
All nine would be a dream. Just the first one would be a start. The police have forgotten their duty and now prefer to dress like Robocop than be a friendly help to the public. Crime has soared as a result of their actions. |
I thought it was godlessness last month.
Maybe we should have religious police like in Saudi Arabia and you could kill two birds with one stone? | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 17:33 - Oct 17 with 5840 views | WeWereZombies |
| Police confirm they have given up on 17:29 - Oct 17 by Darth_Koont |
I thought it was godlessness last month.
Maybe we should have religious police like in Saudi Arabia and you could kill two birds with one stone? |
Surprised at that 1960s slang with it's sexist undertone in one of your posts, Darth, to be honest... | |
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| Police confirm they have given up on 17:37 - Oct 17 with 5837 views | Darth_Koont |
| Police confirm they have given up on 17:33 - Oct 17 by WeWereZombies |
Surprised at that 1960s slang with it's sexist undertone in one of your posts, Darth, to be honest... |
Back in the 60s you got 20 birds to the stone.
Simpler, happier times. | |
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