| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage 09:13 - Nov 7 with 9767 views | Steve_M |
Arse. |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:16 - Nov 7 with 5280 views | ITFC1983 |
Torn Cartilage in his arse! Poor bloke!
But seriously though that is pretty cr@ppy news.  |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:18 - Nov 7 with 5271 views | Barneycurley |
Wood must be a certain to be boarding a flight
Surely? |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:21 - Nov 7 with 5262 views | BergholtBru |
Need Stokes more than ever now!! |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:24 - Nov 7 with 5261 views | BullardsMagicMullet |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:18 - Nov 7 by Barneycurley |
Wood must be a certain to be boarding a flight
Surely? |
I would go with Plunkett, Wood is a really good bowler but injury prone.
Overton could be a surprise package and will strengthen the batting order.
Finn is a complete enigma, world beater one day, panel beater the next day. |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:25 - Nov 7 with 5258 views | MaySixth |
Liam Plunkett please. |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:25 - Nov 7 with 5258 views | Herbivore |
Damn, he can be very inconsistent but he is the English bowler most suited to the conditions in Oz and he can take wickets. |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:34 - Nov 7 with 5242 views | chicoazul |
Here is an insane suggestion. Tymal Mills? Surely perfect for the conditions out there, 6 over bursts... |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:42 - Nov 7 with 5229 views | connorscontract |
Horrible for him, but the positive is that he hasn't broken down the day before a match, or, even more so, during a match. Time to re-group.
Stokes is clearly a big loss, but I'd argue his absence is more coverable than if we lost Ali or Bairstow, and, again, better that what happened took place well before the Ashes than causing disruption during the Series. I still can't see what Hales has done wrong, though. |  | | |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:52 - Nov 7 with 5212 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:24 - Nov 7 by BullardsMagicMullet |
I would go with Plunkett, Wood is a really good bowler but injury prone.
Overton could be a surprise package and will strengthen the batting order.
Finn is a complete enigma, world beater one day, panel beater the next day. |
Gutted as I have been telling anyone who will listen that Finn will be our player of the series..
Agree that Plunkett is the best pace option now.. and in my option should have been selected in the initial squad anyway as like Finn has that ability to terrify batsmen with some genuine towering pace bowling. |  | | |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:58 - Nov 7 with 5198 views | SWGF |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:34 - Nov 7 by chicoazul |
Here is an insane suggestion. Tymal Mills? Surely perfect for the conditions out there, 6 over bursts... |
Doesn't pay well enough. |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:05 - Nov 7 with 5180 views | connorscontract |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:34 - Nov 7 by chicoazul |
Here is an insane suggestion. Tymal Mills? Surely perfect for the conditions out there, 6 over bursts... |
By "bursts" do you mean one per innings? | | | |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:11 - Nov 7 with 5173 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:42 - Nov 7 by connorscontract |
Horrible for him, but the positive is that he hasn't broken down the day before a match, or, even more so, during a match. Time to re-group.
Stokes is clearly a big loss, but I'd argue his absence is more coverable than if we lost Ali or Bairstow, and, again, better that what happened took place well before the Ashes than causing disruption during the Series. I still can't see what Hales has done wrong, though. |
Stokes is England's best player, worthy of a batting place alone at #5 & also one of England's best seamers , with Botham's knack of taking wickets. Also an excellent fielder. Bigger loss than Bairstow, or Moeen as I think the latter's bowling will be targeted (he does bowl a few pies) & he'll see plenty of bouncers (not his strength).
In 11 Tests, Hales in only averaging 27 & that isn't good enough, although he certainly has done no worse than Stoneman, Vince or Malan to date. |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:33 - Nov 7 with 5149 views | BullardsMagicMullet |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:11 - Nov 7 by Radlett_blue |
Stokes is England's best player, worthy of a batting place alone at #5 & also one of England's best seamers , with Botham's knack of taking wickets. Also an excellent fielder. Bigger loss than Bairstow, or Moeen as I think the latter's bowling will be targeted (he does bowl a few pies) & he'll see plenty of bouncers (not his strength).
In 11 Tests, Hales in only averaging 27 & that isn't good enough, although he certainly has done no worse than Stoneman, Vince or Malan to date. |
The Aussies will target Moeen and Crane, so Root has to keep on going back to the ageing Anderson and Broad, so they get bowled into the ground.
The batting needs to click, for us to hold any chance of competing in the series.
The Aussies batting is fragile as well, but if we keep being 50-3 and getting bowled out cheaply we have no chance. | |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:34 - Nov 7 with 5148 views | Reuser_is_God |
Has it actually been confirmed what's going on with Stokes? |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:38 - Nov 7 with 5145 views | MaySixth |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:34 - Nov 7 by Reuser_is_God |
Has it actually been confirmed what's going on with Stokes? |
No | |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:39 - Nov 7 with 5134 views | MaySixth |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 09:34 - Nov 7 by chicoazul |
Here is an insane suggestion. Tymal Mills? Surely perfect for the conditions out there, 6 over bursts... |
20/20 specialist these days and, even then, not hugely accurate | |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:41 - Nov 7 with 5128 views | chicoazul |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:11 - Nov 7 by Radlett_blue |
Stokes is England's best player, worthy of a batting place alone at #5 & also one of England's best seamers , with Botham's knack of taking wickets. Also an excellent fielder. Bigger loss than Bairstow, or Moeen as I think the latter's bowling will be targeted (he does bowl a few pies) & he'll see plenty of bouncers (not his strength).
In 11 Tests, Hales in only averaging 27 & that isn't good enough, although he certainly has done no worse than Stoneman, Vince or Malan to date. |
I was a bit surprised when I heard Bayliss talking Stokes up for playing at 5 as that lower order battalion seems so good as it is. But I guess it might mean we could bring in a second spinner which would be very handy indeed. I just hope they dont do it to bring in yet another seamer, 5 fast bowlers is too many. | |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:41 - Nov 7 with 5128 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:38 - Nov 7 by MaySixth |
No |
So he's in the squad but not in Oz?
Get him on a plane ffs. | |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:45 - Nov 7 with 5120 views | solemio |
Few cricketers more unlucky than Finn - and he seems a very decent guy.
This must surely mean that Craig Overton will start the First Test. He has greatly matured as a person and as a bowler. As a Somerset member I hope he does well; at least I think I do, as if he succeeds he will hardly ever play for his county! | | | |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:49 - Nov 7 with 5115 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:41 - Nov 7 by Reuser_is_God |
So he's in the squad but not in Oz?
Get him on a plane ffs. |
Whilst the police investigation is still ongoing it would be incredibly unwise to fly him anywhere..
I suspect that if/when the sorry saga is over he'll be flown out immediately, whether that be for 5 tests or just 1. That is assuming that it comes to a positive resolution. | | | |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 11:13 - Nov 7 with 5082 views | connorscontract |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:11 - Nov 7 by Radlett_blue |
Stokes is England's best player, worthy of a batting place alone at #5 & also one of England's best seamers , with Botham's knack of taking wickets. Also an excellent fielder. Bigger loss than Bairstow, or Moeen as I think the latter's bowling will be targeted (he does bowl a few pies) & he'll see plenty of bouncers (not his strength).
In 11 Tests, Hales in only averaging 27 & that isn't good enough, although he certainly has done no worse than Stoneman, Vince or Malan to date. |
Stokes' batting average suggests he wouldn't be a certain starter at 5 as a batsman alone. And he is very much the 4th Seamer. In contrast to Botham and Flintoff he never opens the bowling. He is a great fielder, but Bairstow has become an extremely good wicket keeper and Ali is an utterly dependable (though less flash) fielder.
I'll stand by my contention that Ali and Bairstow have actually been more important to the way England have played over the last three years. They both are team players and both perform consistently. | | | |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 11:47 - Nov 7 with 5048 views | connorscontract |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 10:41 - Nov 7 by Reuser_is_God |
So he's in the squad but not in Oz?
Get him on a plane ffs. |
The ECB position has been made absolutely clear and is unambiguous: unless/until Stokes is cleared of criminal investigation or found Not Guilty he will not be elligible for selection. They acted very quickly, and in my view correctly, on Stokes. As I said above, to include Hales in that is harsh, as he would have been a certainty for the White Ball squads, and an outside bet for the Test squad. | | | |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 11:56 - Nov 7 with 5037 views | vapour_trail |
This tour is starting to feel jinxed. |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 12:20 - Nov 7 with 5011 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 11:56 - Nov 7 by vapour_trail |
This tour is starting to feel jinxed. |
I hope I'm wrong but despite the Aussies being no great shakes themselves, I can see us crumbling meekly. Especially if Stokes plays no part. |  |
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| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 12:22 - Nov 7 with 5002 views | bluewein |
| Cricket: Steve Finn out of Ashes, torn cartilage on 12:20 - Nov 7 by gainsboroughblue |
I hope I'm wrong but despite the Aussies being no great shakes themselves, I can see us crumbling meekly. Especially if Stokes plays no part. |
Be honest here Gainsborough.
You only replied because you saw the word jinxed, right? Is it like some sort of bat signal? |  |
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