| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... 08:47 - Oct 17 with 3122 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
......now imagine it had been the Russians wot done it.
The power of oil and weapons sales.......does it make you proud?
Nothing of consequence will happen. |  |
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 08:53 - Oct 17 with 3099 views | gordon |
Yeah, completely different from how we invaded Russia the other month over that poisoning malarkey. |  | | |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 08:54 - Oct 17 with 3102 views | StokieBlue |
I think you are looking for reasons to have a pop to be honest. It’s totally different to the Russian situation.
With regards to nothing happening, things have already happened, a number of companies and organisations are boycotting the flagship Saudi conference coming up. More should happen but to say nothing is happening is harsh. Governments do need to take a sterner line I agree.
Trump is being an idiot again but then he has warned against a rush to judgement, something which was certainly echoed on hear when the Russian stuff happened. How come it’s not the same for both situations?
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 09:02 - Oct 17 with 3087 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 08:54 - Oct 17 by StokieBlue |
I think you are looking for reasons to have a pop to be honest. It’s totally different to the Russian situation.
With regards to nothing happening, things have already happened, a number of companies and organisations are boycotting the flagship Saudi conference coming up. More should happen but to say nothing is happening is harsh. Governments do need to take a sterner line I agree.
Trump is being an idiot again but then he has warned against a rush to judgement, something which was certainly echoed on hear when the Russian stuff happened. How come it’s not the same for both situations?
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Does anybody even think he wasn't killed in there. In this instance not rushing to judgement will be like calling for a 'royal commission enquiry' ie buy some time to kick it into the long grass. | |
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 09:16 - Oct 17 with 3051 views | crunchie1978 |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 09:02 - Oct 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Does anybody even think he wasn't killed in there. In this instance not rushing to judgement will be like calling for a 'royal commission enquiry' ie buy some time to kick it into the long grass. |
Doesn't the Turkish government have audio and visual proof? |  | | |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 09:29 - Oct 17 with 3033 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 09:16 - Oct 17 by crunchie1978 |
Doesn't the Turkish government have audio and visual proof? |
If Trump is saying it may have been down to 'rogue operatives' (!) we can safely say he is dead. | |
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 09:43 - Oct 17 with 3008 views | hype313 |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 08:54 - Oct 17 by StokieBlue |
I think you are looking for reasons to have a pop to be honest. It’s totally different to the Russian situation.
With regards to nothing happening, things have already happened, a number of companies and organisations are boycotting the flagship Saudi conference coming up. More should happen but to say nothing is happening is harsh. Governments do need to take a sterner line I agree.
Trump is being an idiot again but then he has warned against a rush to judgement, something which was certainly echoed on hear when the Russian stuff happened. How come it’s not the same for both situations?
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Quite rightly a number of companies and organisations are boycotting the summit, unfortunately our trade secretary Liam Fox is attending. |  |
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 09:47 - Oct 17 with 3004 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 09:43 - Oct 17 by hype313 |
Quite rightly a number of companies and organisations are boycotting the summit, unfortunately our trade secretary Liam Fox is attending. |
But will they all go to the next one? Time will tell. | |
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 09:59 - Oct 17 with 2985 views | Guthrum |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 09:29 - Oct 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If Trump is saying it may have been down to 'rogue operatives' (!) we can safely say he is dead. |
There's very little real doubt about that. The question seems to have become: "Did Khashoggi die in the course of a botched attempt at rendition to Saudi Arabia?"
Still very bad and deserving of censure, but not quite at the level of deliberate assassination.
Or that might just be the face-saving gloss to avoid the risk of oil prices increasing fourfold and the world economy grinding to a halt (c.f. 1973-4). |  |
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 10:04 - Oct 17 with 2966 views | crunchie1978 |
This whole situation will be a classic example of......."don't bite the hand that's feeds ya". | | | |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 10:05 - Oct 17 with 2965 views | StokieBlue |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 09:59 - Oct 17 by Guthrum |
There's very little real doubt about that. The question seems to have become: "Did Khashoggi die in the course of a botched attempt at rendition to Saudi Arabia?"
Still very bad and deserving of censure, but not quite at the level of deliberate assassination.
Or that might just be the face-saving gloss to avoid the risk of oil prices increasing fourfold and the world economy grinding to a halt (c.f. 1973-4). |
To be honest, oil prices increasing 4 fold would be awful in the short term for the global economy but might expedite the move away from reliance on oil. Longer term it might actually be a benefit.
It would also bankrupt the Saudi's, they have little else to provide income except oil given they haven't got very far with transitioning their economy away from oil exporting.
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 10:15 - Oct 17 with 2948 views | Guthrum |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 10:05 - Oct 17 by StokieBlue |
To be honest, oil prices increasing 4 fold would be awful in the short term for the global economy but might expedite the move away from reliance on oil. Longer term it might actually be a benefit.
It would also bankrupt the Saudi's, they have little else to provide income except oil given they haven't got very far with transitioning their economy away from oil exporting.
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I'm not sure the two decades of recession while we wean ourselves off oil would be much fun for anyone.
The Saudis have the option of turning the taps back on to save themselves. But the shock to the world economy will have much wider repercussions. | |
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 10:31 - Oct 17 with 2930 views | No9 |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 10:05 - Oct 17 by StokieBlue |
To be honest, oil prices increasing 4 fold would be awful in the short term for the global economy but might expedite the move away from reliance on oil. Longer term it might actually be a benefit.
It would also bankrupt the Saudi's, they have little else to provide income except oil given they haven't got very far with transitioning their economy away from oil exporting.
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Isn't it atrange that, in the 70's Sheik Yemani made the world realise the need to find lternatives to M.E. oil
the UK had forgotten that before the end of the 80's. | | | |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 10:35 - Oct 17 with 2919 views | GlasgowBlue |
Russia make quite a few of their own journos/dissidents disappear. This rarely raises an eyebrow in the West.
A completely different matter when it comes to launching a chemical attack on British soil.
So I’ve imagined what our response would be if it woz da Russians wot dun it and have concluded that our response would have been complete indifference. [Post edited 17 Oct 2018 10:37]
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 10:39 - Oct 17 with 2903 views | hampstead_blue |
Whilst our politics are not close, I agree with you.
Russia has had pretty harsh sanctions though.
One of the problems is that most countries can brush off indirect action as they only affect the lower classes.
I had was told that sometimes you have to sit next to the scumbags (on occasion) to help them. If you go toe-to-toe they bristle and won't listen.
Diplomacy is one of the toughest jobs out there. No easy way. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 21:09 - Oct 17 with 2776 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 10:35 - Oct 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Russia make quite a few of their own journos/dissidents disappear. This rarely raises an eyebrow in the West.
A completely different matter when it comes to launching a chemical attack on British soil.
So I’ve imagined what our response would be if it woz da Russians wot dun it and have concluded that our response would have been complete indifference. [Post edited 17 Oct 2018 10:37]
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Thanks for your carefully considered thoughts. How do you feel about this inaction and do you imagine in the Russian scenario that our government would be sending representatives to their equivalent of Davos in the Desert? | |
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 21:21 - Oct 17 with 2766 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 09:59 - Oct 17 by Guthrum |
There's very little real doubt about that. The question seems to have become: "Did Khashoggi die in the course of a botched attempt at rendition to Saudi Arabia?"
Still very bad and deserving of censure, but not quite at the level of deliberate assassination.
Or that might just be the face-saving gloss to avoid the risk of oil prices increasing fourfold and the world economy grinding to a halt (c.f. 1973-4). |
Essential kit for rendition.....
"Details of the Saudi citizens who travelled to Istanbul were released amid a claim that they had brought with them a bone saw to dismember Khashoggi."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/alleged-saudi-hit-squad-linked-to-
Hopefully none of them/us will be allowed to 'face-save.' | |
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 23:57 - Oct 17 with 2686 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 10:05 - Oct 17 by StokieBlue |
To be honest, oil prices increasing 4 fold would be awful in the short term for the global economy but might expedite the move away from reliance on oil. Longer term it might actually be a benefit.
It would also bankrupt the Saudi's, they have little else to provide income except oil given they haven't got very far with transitioning their economy away from oil exporting.
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I'd rather we cut all ties with Saudi Arabia and pay more for our fuel. A disgusting regime.
That said I know many Saudi people and they are fine folk. Like many countries in the world you'll find the people from there are from a far higher plateau than the scum who rule them, UK included. |  |
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 02:15 - Oct 18 with 2642 views | Binner |
Glassers is right with his comments above. There are so many journalists killed in Russia that they have a day set aside each year to commemorate them. In Russia, December 15th each year is "Remembrance Day of Journalists Killed in the Line of Duty". You would need to be extremely naïve to think that the hand of the state is not behind the vast majority of the deaths.
Very few of these killing are reported upon in UK, one high profile exception being the murder of Anna Politkovskaya in 2006. [Post edited 18 Oct 2018 2:21]
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 06:12 - Oct 18 with 2593 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 02:15 - Oct 18 by Binner |
Glassers is right with his comments above. There are so many journalists killed in Russia that they have a day set aside each year to commemorate them. In Russia, December 15th each year is "Remembrance Day of Journalists Killed in the Line of Duty". You would need to be extremely naïve to think that the hand of the state is not behind the vast majority of the deaths.
Very few of these killing are reported upon in UK, one high profile exception being the murder of Anna Politkovskaya in 2006. [Post edited 18 Oct 2018 2:21]
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I agree but that does not excuse inaction over Saudi Arabia. The difference is that if this had happened in a Russian embassy we would be hearing a lot more about if and there would be stronger calls for action so he is not comparing the same things.
The poisoning parallel is more accurate as that did occur outside of Russia. | |
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 06:14 - Oct 18 with 2591 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 10:05 - Oct 17 by StokieBlue |
To be honest, oil prices increasing 4 fold would be awful in the short term for the global economy but might expedite the move away from reliance on oil. Longer term it might actually be a benefit.
It would also bankrupt the Saudi's, they have little else to provide income except oil given they haven't got very far with transitioning their economy away from oil exporting.
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Who would crack first, their regime unable to import goods or ours with higher energy costs? They can't eat oil and weapons. | |
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| Watching the gradual airbrushing of this Saudi killing..... on 07:11 - Oct 18 with 2568 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Trumps pro business response is telling as his base despises the Saudi regime. | |
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