| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 12:36 - Sep 8 with 2244 views | Trequartista |
If you dont need to keep a run rate up in test cricket surely it is easier to score runs because you dont have to take risks (even after factoring in the fielding restrictions). So how come our world champion 1 day batsman keep getting out with much lower scores in test cricket? Is the white ball easier to hit than a red ball? |  |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 12:43 - Sep 8 with 2211 views | bournemouthblue |
The White ball is undoubtedly more placid, the pitches are better also
You have to remember this one is five days old and has plenty of wear on it
There are no fielding restrictions and no legside wides, the bowlers can bowl a lot more overs
Test cricket is the ultimate test, it is as simple as that really |  |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 12:58 - Sep 8 with 2176 views | Trequartista |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 12:43 - Sep 8 by bournemouthblue |
The White ball is undoubtedly more placid, the pitches are better also
You have to remember this one is five days old and has plenty of wear on it
There are no fielding restrictions and no legside wides, the bowlers can bowl a lot more overs
Test cricket is the ultimate test, it is as simple as that really |
The world cup was in england wasn't it at the same grounds? I know it is day 5 today but this is happening on all days. In the last match we scored 67 in the first innings. To me the slight differences in the rules dont outweigh the fact in one game you almost have to try and score runs off every ball and it test cricket you can just defend and pick your shots. And another thing... :-) ..... if you can't win and can only draw why risk trying to score runs. Just defend everything. | |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:02 - Sep 8 with 2158 views | uefacup81 |
What I don't quite understand is why England aren't just playing ultra defensive cricket, given that the draw is the best result in the circumstances? |  |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:08 - Sep 8 with 2139 views | bournemouthblue |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 12:58 - Sep 8 by Trequartista |
The world cup was in england wasn't it at the same grounds? I know it is day 5 today but this is happening on all days. In the last match we scored 67 in the first innings. To me the slight differences in the rules dont outweigh the fact in one game you almost have to try and score runs off every ball and it test cricket you can just defend and pick your shots. And another thing... :-) ..... if you can't win and can only draw why risk trying to score runs. Just defend everything. |
Roy's tried to defend one which has bowled him sadly
The red balls seam more and swing more, certainly in England
He has a technical weakness which is less exploited by that White ball | |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:14 - Sep 8 with 2121 views | Trequartista |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:08 - Sep 8 by bournemouthblue |
Roy's tried to defend one which has bowled him sadly
The red balls seam more and swing more, certainly in England
He has a technical weakness which is less exploited by that White ball |
Yes they've just shown him getting bowled 3 times by a similar ball inthis series. But this wasnt happening in the world cup
Similar with Cummins. He is bowling absolute pearlers and has 4 wickets. Where was this brilliance in the world cup? | |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:16 - Sep 8 with 2116 views | Ftnfwest |
Can’t defend against a moving ball, particularly at pace. White ball doesn’t move as much |  | | |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:17 - Sep 8 with 2112 views | Ftnfwest |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:02 - Sep 8 by uefacup81 |
What I don't quite understand is why England aren't just playing ultra defensive cricket, given that the draw is the best result in the circumstances? |
They’re just trying to survive as it is | | | |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:17 - Sep 8 with 2112 views | eireblue |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 12:58 - Sep 8 by Trequartista |
The world cup was in england wasn't it at the same grounds? I know it is day 5 today but this is happening on all days. In the last match we scored 67 in the first innings. To me the slight differences in the rules dont outweigh the fact in one game you almost have to try and score runs off every ball and it test cricket you can just defend and pick your shots. And another thing... :-) ..... if you can't win and can only draw why risk trying to score runs. Just defend everything. |
You have made Geoffrey Boycott very happy. |  | | |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:19 - Sep 8 with 2108 views | Ftnfwest |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 12:58 - Sep 8 by Trequartista |
The world cup was in england wasn't it at the same grounds? I know it is day 5 today but this is happening on all days. In the last match we scored 67 in the first innings. To me the slight differences in the rules dont outweigh the fact in one game you almost have to try and score runs off every ball and it test cricket you can just defend and pick your shots. And another thing... :-) ..... if you can't win and can only draw why risk trying to score runs. Just defend everything. |
If you keep the scoreboard ticking along even just a bit, you rotate the strike and slow things down, particularly when there’s a right and left hand combination at the wicket. Makes it more difficult for bowlers to get their lines right as well | | | |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:19 - Sep 8 with 2107 views | Trequartista |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:02 - Sep 8 by uefacup81 |
What I don't quite understand is why England aren't just playing ultra defensive cricket, given that the draw is the best result in the circumstances? |
Cricket seems to be totally unaffected by sports science. | |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:25 - Sep 8 with 2091 views | Trequartista |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:16 - Sep 8 by Ftnfwest |
Can’t defend against a moving ball, particularly at pace. White ball doesn’t move as much |
Seems to be the most plausible explanation thanks. I just thought it was red ball painted white! Doesn't seem to bother Steve Smith | |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:27 - Sep 8 with 2083 views | Trequartista |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:19 - Sep 8 by Ftnfwest |
If you keep the scoreboard ticking along even just a bit, you rotate the strike and slow things down, particularly when there’s a right and left hand combination at the wicket. Makes it more difficult for bowlers to get their lines right as well |
I believe what you say, i'm not convinced that outweighs just not hitting it unless it's arrowing at your stumps | |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:27 - Sep 8 with 2083 views | Ftnfwest |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:25 - Sep 8 by Trequartista |
Seems to be the most plausible explanation thanks. I just thought it was red ball painted white! Doesn't seem to bother Steve Smith |
The best players like him and stokes to be fair is that they can concentrate and read deliveries so well that they play them a fraction later when they generally know which way if any they are moving | | | |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:28 - Sep 8 with 2081 views | bournemouthblue |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:25 - Sep 8 by Trequartista |
Seems to be the most plausible explanation thanks. I just thought it was red ball painted white! Doesn't seem to bother Steve Smith |
Steve Smith on the contrary isn't quite the world beater in One Day Cricket
He's still fairly competent but certainly not quite the top tier | |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:39 - Sep 8 with 2057 views | Guthrum |
There are no fielding restrictions or limitation on how many overs your best bowlers can deliver.
The One Day and T20 systems are quite contrived, in that the bowling team is unable to put as many fielders in deep catching positions. This means the batsmen, if they can get the ball past - or over - those in the 30-yard circle, there is much reduced danger of getting caught and a very good chance of getting a four. In a Test Match, a mistimed slog is highly likely to be caught by a man on the boundary, or a shot along the ground intercepted.
In an ODI, the Captian has to juggle his bowlers a bit, being only allowed a limited number of overs each (10 in and ODI, 4 in T20). So you can't bring your best man on for an extended spell, then use them again later. Spinners can send down a very large number of overs in a Test Match day.
The rules on wides are less tight, so bowlers can go down the leg side or use a wider line without being penalised. So far fewer easy scoring chances.
As others have said, the white ball doesn't do as much as the red one, also doesn't have long enough to get old (thus removing the chance of reverse swing). [Post edited 8 Sep 2019 13:41]
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:51 - Sep 8 with 2043 views | Guthrum |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:02 - Sep 8 by uefacup81 |
What I don't quite understand is why England aren't just playing ultra defensive cricket, given that the draw is the best result in the circumstances? |
Because they haven't been trained to. The last four years have been entirely geared up to trying to win the ODI World Cup (which we did, just).
Defensive play requires extreme coolness and patience. The iron will not to go for that tempting ball just outside the off stump. Only to attack the genuinely bad deliveries. But those drilled in the ODI mindset are always getting twitchy if the scoreboard isn't ticking over. Instinctively, they want to hit even the marginal ball.
Having spent that long working towards the WC, most then cannot within a couple of weeks switch their entire methodolgy and psychology to something else. Only a few of the best are capable of it - Root, Stokes, even Steve Smith struggles (tho in the other direction). | |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 15:05 - Sep 8 with 1954 views | Guthrum |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 12:58 - Sep 8 by Trequartista |
The world cup was in england wasn't it at the same grounds? I know it is day 5 today but this is happening on all days. In the last match we scored 67 in the first innings. To me the slight differences in the rules dont outweigh the fact in one game you almost have to try and score runs off every ball and it test cricket you can just defend and pick your shots. And another thing... :-) ..... if you can't win and can only draw why risk trying to score runs. Just defend everything. |
Same grounds, but not the same pitches. The "square" in the centre has a number of "strips", used in different matches. If all were played on the same one, it would wear out very quickly.
Those strips do not only have slight variations in the way they behave, they're also prepared differently for each match, the amount of moisture, grass left on, firmness (rolling), etc. Affects speed the ball goes through, bounce, seam for the quicks and turn for the spinners. | |
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| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 15:13 - Sep 8 with 1936 views | Guthrum |
| Can someone explain cricket to me part 18629 on 13:27 - Sep 8 by Trequartista |
I believe what you say, i'm not convinced that outweighs just not hitting it unless it's arrowing at your stumps |
It's difficult to judge if the ball is only just missing the off stump or will hit (especially considering the ball can move sideways in the air both before and after bouncing). Even a defensive block may result in an edge which goes to slips or keeper, or an inside edge onto the stumps.
Plus if you're blocking or leaving everything, it allows very aggressive fields, with lots of men close round the bat, so even the slightest lack of control runs the risk of being caught. Occasional hitting spreads the field and makes their job harder. | |
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