| Lambert is going nowhere 18:25 - Feb 25 with 6361 views | HARRY10 |
There appears to be a belief among some on here that Lambert will leave this summer if we are not promoted. Some clause in his contract it would seem.
So why the extension to his contract ? Why commit him to a contract that can be ended barely six months into it ?
I presume the original contract did not have such a clause so why sign a new contract that foes ?
It is hardly going to enthuse him to plan ahead, look to develop players when a narrow defeat in the playoffs (say) will mean an end to things.
This should tell you what Lambert is expecting
"“We’ll try everything and they’re still developing some of them, the older lads are probably at the wrong age of 30, and you can never defeat time, that’s always going to be there, and that has to change at some point,” Lambert said.
“Once that decision comes that you have to retire it isn’t great, but you have to get your head around it and then you finish, and then the future generations take it on." Jan 2020
as those are not the words of someone looking at the next 6 months only.
And is there really a manager out there who could come in and immediately transform the squad into what's needed after so long a slide ? |  | | |  |
| Lambert is going nowhere on 08:56 - Feb 26 with 534 views | Herbivore |
| Lambert is going nowhere on 08:37 - Feb 26 by tractorboy1978 |
Well the insinuation was it was all agreed and no going back after the end of October. Which just wasn't the case. |
In practice there was no going back. It was all agreed with Lambert, if ME had then withdrawn the offer what do you think that would have meant? Look at Lambert's comments post Gillingham, they make perfect sense in the context of there being a contract waiting to be signed. Either get it signed or let me go, is basically what he was intimating. Clearly ME didn't want to get rid at that point. |  |
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| Lambert is going nowhere on 08:59 - Feb 26 with 530 views | Herbivore |
| Lambert is going nowhere on 08:44 - Feb 26 by HARRY10 |
The long term planning came in after we were relegated. Given the huge financial conseqence of relegation there was everything right about throwing what was available to stay up. And simply 'bloodying' youngsters does not equate to improving them.
It may be that having our income almost halved by relegation played some part in the signings being 'hit and miss'. And I not sure who issues us with our 'real playing identity', but I am aware that some of the donkeys like Chambers and Skuse will have to move on before Lambert can stamp his style on the squad. It will also require players who are fully committed. All too often one good half is all we get.
So maybe what you don't see is the work being done with those who will be here for a while. Building a youth set up where players can step up not fill in when the games no longer matter.
And maybe this will take far longer than some thought. Because for them this is just a small hiccup in the past seventeen years of success.
All we need is the 'right' manager and off we go again. Back to the PL and being in the top two places. And if not, lets boo and hound him out. Because that will certainly attract another manager who will certainly deliver that instant success. |
You're just repeating the same baseless points and straw men now. I'm not going to agree with you just because you keep repeating yourself. | |
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| Lambert is going nowhere on 09:12 - Feb 26 with 511 views | HARRY10 |
| Lambert is going nowhere on 08:59 - Feb 26 by Herbivore |
You're just repeating the same baseless points and straw men now. I'm not going to agree with you just because you keep repeating yourself. |
These are neither baseless or strawmen.
We did have our income almost halved by relegation. It is quite a valid point to suggest that it was worth soending last Jan to avoid that
Likewise young players will not develop simply because they are being played.
Having our income halved did have an effect on the quality of players we signed in the summer.
And as someone who is not involved in the day to day running of the club neither you and I can make claims about what we don'r know. You are. I am not
As to changing your mind who said that was my intention. Pointing out the reasons why the earth is not flat does not mean you want to change that person's mind. You are merely pointing out the flaws in their argument. | | | |
| Lambert is going nowhere on 09:13 - Feb 26 with 509 views | Herbivore |
| Lambert is going nowhere on 09:12 - Feb 26 by HARRY10 |
These are neither baseless or strawmen.
We did have our income almost halved by relegation. It is quite a valid point to suggest that it was worth soending last Jan to avoid that
Likewise young players will not develop simply because they are being played.
Having our income halved did have an effect on the quality of players we signed in the summer.
And as someone who is not involved in the day to day running of the club neither you and I can make claims about what we don'r know. You are. I am not
As to changing your mind who said that was my intention. Pointing out the reasons why the earth is not flat does not mean you want to change that person's mind. You are merely pointing out the flaws in their argument. |
Yeah, you're not doing what you think you're doing either. | |
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| Lambert is going nowhere on 09:33 - Feb 26 with 495 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Lambert is going nowhere on 23:06 - Feb 25 by Herbivore |
Disagree on that first point. He's shown nothing to suggest he's the man for the long term project and I can't see it lasting for him here. Now the PR has worn off there's really nothing left to him. |
He received a 5 year contract only last month, whether fans want him here or not, that screams long term to myself.
Also moving his family down here last week, considering he has been here over a year, don't think he would be doing that unless he was thinking term down here.
Whether fans want him here or not, the unfortunate reality for most is, he is going to be. |  |
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| Lambert is going nowhere on 09:34 - Feb 26 with 491 views | tractorshark |
Can’t see Lambert being sacked at the end of the season and nor will he walk.
Evans isn’t a trigger-happy owner (he even tried to talk Jewell out of going) and he’s banging on about long-term projects.
I suspect promotion this season is the fans’ remit, not the owner’s.
And why would he listen to the fans? The last time he did that was over McCarthy...and Evans probably thinks that is the biggest mistake he has made at Ipswich.
It wasn’t, what followed was. I said at that time we are one bad appointment off relegation (one of the forum’s responses was how do I leave the front door every day) but so it has proved.
I also fear we haven’t hit rock bottom yet.
As with every club, there are many delusional fans at Ipswich.
When we entered this division, I think most thought promotion a foregone conclusion, that one season in League One wouldn’t be a bad thing, that it would allow us to reset while we all got our Ipswich back, whatever that means.
But some also pointed out that it took Sheffield United six seasons to return.
Now reality has set in and with it some home truths.
Like the squad is actually not as good as some think (the likes of Dozzell are not the Messiah).
Like Lambert is just a more PR savvy Paul Jewell.
And Evans is capable of making the same mistake again and again while expecting a different outcome.
The free-flowing football that people used as a stick to beat McCarthy has not materialised and probably never will unless Evans loosens the purse strings.
Good footballers cost good transfer money and even if we produce them through the academy, the ridiculous rules favouring the Premier League clubs mean they are invariably poached before they see the light of our first team.
It’s a fairly depressing and frustrating outlook.
So what’s the solution? Is it to sack Lambert? I like him as a person and want him to succeed but, as I say, he reminds me of Jewell - capable of one success on his CV but incapable of repeating it. I predict a mutual parting of ways come Christmas.
But do we trust Evans to appoint a decent successor? Evans isn’t a bad owner like those at Coventry, Bolton and Bury. He hasn’t put the club at serious risk. But nor is he a good owner because he just makes the same monumental mistakes over and over again.
And what do the fans want? I’ve seen the same people who hounded out McCarthy call for a seasoned, no-nonsense Championship warrior like Warnock. We should have stuck with McCarthy if that’s the case, we wouldn’t have been relegated.
Then there are those who favour a young mind like Farke. But remember Norwich fans wanted him sacked when results were bad.
Will you have the patience to back him and say it is a 3, 4 or 5-year project?
And that’s the crux of it. If the answer to that question is yes, then why would Evans sack Lambert now?
The modern football fan demands instant reward but, come May, only 3 of the 23 clubs in this division will be able to truly call this season a success.
We all want the same thing but some of our fanbase need a dose of reality and a sense of perspective. [Post edited 26 Feb 2020 9:46]
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| Lambert is going nowhere on 09:38 - Feb 26 with 489 views | Herbivore |
| Lambert is going nowhere on 09:33 - Feb 26 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
He received a 5 year contract only last month, whether fans want him here or not, that screams long term to myself.
Also moving his family down here last week, considering he has been here over a year, don't think he would be doing that unless he was thinking term down here.
Whether fans want him here or not, the unfortunate reality for most is, he is going to be. |
It's not really Lambert's choice whether he stays long term, that will be on Evans. The contract has been discussed at length in this thread and I think the significance of it is being overstated. It was agreed whilst we were top of the league and whilst Sunderland ere reportedly sniffing around. All contracts have clauses in that allow each party to end them early on agreed terms. Circumstances have changed significantly since the contract was agreed, we are now 9th in the league and unlikely to even make the play offs. The contract doesn't offer a good argument in its own right that he will be here long term. | |
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| Lambert is going nowhere on 09:45 - Feb 26 with 483 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Lambert is going nowhere on 09:38 - Feb 26 by Herbivore |
It's not really Lambert's choice whether he stays long term, that will be on Evans. The contract has been discussed at length in this thread and I think the significance of it is being overstated. It was agreed whilst we were top of the league and whilst Sunderland ere reportedly sniffing around. All contracts have clauses in that allow each party to end them early on agreed terms. Circumstances have changed significantly since the contract was agreed, we are now 9th in the league and unlikely to even make the play offs. The contract doesn't offer a good argument in its own right that he will be here long term. |
If Sunderland were sniffing which I believe they were, the power is really in Lambert's hands to be the 'A' side on negotiations.
I can't really understand, why he would sign a new deal with a break clause at the end of the season, when he already had 2 years remaining on his current deal. I was told that there is no break clause as some seemingly think, or more likely are hoping for. | |
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| Lambert is going nowhere on 09:51 - Feb 26 with 477 views | Herbivore |
| Lambert is going nowhere on 09:45 - Feb 26 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
If Sunderland were sniffing which I believe they were, the power is really in Lambert's hands to be the 'A' side on negotiations.
I can't really understand, why he would sign a new deal with a break clause at the end of the season, when he already had 2 years remaining on his current deal. I was told that there is no break clause as some seemingly think, or more likely are hoping for. |
There will be clauses in his current contract and I imagine there were clauses in his previous contract as well. I seriously doubt he's been given a 5 year deal where we have to pay up the full contract under any circumstances in which we want to get rid of him. It is usual for managers to have contracts that either specify a pay out at a certain level in the event of a sacking or have break clauses that allow the contract to be termjsnted under certain circumstances. I don't see why Lambert's contract would be any different. | |
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