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I was only half listening but heard someone say on the radio yesterday that no vaccine has ever been developed for the different forms of Coronavirus' that exist so we cannot be too expecting of one being found for Covid 19. This got me trawling the Internet and just getting more confused. Was therefore wondering if the more knowledgeable bods on here could comment on what I have found and my understanding (Which could be wrong)
1.There seems to be many types of Coronavirus including the common cold in some cases. The two serious ones prior to Covid 19 are SARS and MERS. The true name of Covid 19 is SARS-CoV-2. No vaccine is available for any of them. Bearing in mind that we can get colds over and over again is that why there are reports of people getting Covid 19 again having already had it?
2. The main hope seems to be finding a viral antibiotic to treat the illness. The Health Officer here in Oz talked about that today. There is the hope that tweaking an existing treatment may be the quicker way out of this. I couldn't find any confidence in a vaccine being developed.
3. What the hell has Bill Gates got to do with this? Is he a Doctor? He said yesterday (Trying to find the clip) that a vaccine may have to be rolled out before being completely ready ... What?
4. It seems to me that this is going to be something we are all going to have to live with until it just calms down to something manageable. SARS just went away. MERS still exists but is not common. Let's prey that a treatment for Covid 19 is found and we can get on with life again ... Hopefully, in a much more mindful way. I just can't see a vaccine being found. If there is not one for all the other Coronavirus' .....
Sorry, if this seems all over the place. Just getting some thoughts down ... Over to you experts!
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Vaccine Questions on 09:45 - Apr 14 with 1169 views
Having been to University, I'm well aware. TWTD is not a research paper.
Also, you linked to Patreon earlier, is that a valid source?
Back to the point, Robert F Kennedy Jr. has for a long time held an anti-vaccination stance, and is neither a scientist or a doctor.
Robert F Kennedy Jr is a proponent of safe vaccines and questions if they are currently as safe as we are led to believe. There is a big difference between him and somebody that says the ET lizards from out of space have poisoned all the vaccines and are trying to wipe out the human race.
I go back to an earlier point. The MSM have made sensible debate almost impossible to the point that you are either Pro or Anti vaccine, there is very little space for anything inbetween.
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Vaccine Questions on 09:55 - Apr 14 with 1167 views
"then the majority of people will surely work that out so what exactly are they afraid of?"
What about the vulnerable minority who will believe it all. It could adversely affect their lives hugely and they might even take actions based on it. Some people aren't able to assess information in a logical manner due to a number of reasons.
It's not censoring by a government narrative. It's making sure that stuff which is clearly nonsense doesn't affect those vulnerable people.
Just look at the damage things like the Sandy Hook conspiracies cause - if you can't see this as a problem I would say that's more about your views and bias against what you believe the government does with information than any issues with censorship.
SB
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I see your point but I still disagree. There is an awful lot of nonsense printed in the tabloids every day and you could pick any number of pieces and argue that vulnerable people might be adversely affected by it.
This is still no reason for censorship. There was nothing in the Icke interview that was promoting hate crimes or racism etc. To my mind these are the things that need to be looked at.
If Icke is so far off the mark why not get him on the BBC and let him debate with some experts so that he can be shown up for what he is? Surely this would be more effective in terms of reassuring those who are confused? Censorship just leads to more curiosity and leads people to wonder what it is that they don't want us to see.
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Vaccine Questions on 10:04 - Apr 14 with 1164 views
Vaccine Questions on 09:55 - Apr 14 by Harry_Palmer
I see your point but I still disagree. There is an awful lot of nonsense printed in the tabloids every day and you could pick any number of pieces and argue that vulnerable people might be adversely affected by it.
This is still no reason for censorship. There was nothing in the Icke interview that was promoting hate crimes or racism etc. To my mind these are the things that need to be looked at.
If Icke is so far off the mark why not get him on the BBC and let him debate with some experts so that he can be shown up for what he is? Surely this would be more effective in terms of reassuring those who are confused? Censorship just leads to more curiosity and leads people to wonder what it is that they don't want us to see.
As a result of this thread I ended up exploring the David Icke rabbit hole and while I won't defend his views I will defend his right to put them across. For London Real who appear to be an excellent medium (I will be checking out some of the other interviews) to be punished is quite bizarre.
The irony is that deleting the content and the publicity it attracted has probably caused people to search for the video resulting in more people listening to it!
[Post edited 14 Apr 2020 10:04]
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Vaccine Questions on 10:10 - Apr 14 with 1155 views
Vaccine Questions on 09:55 - Apr 14 by Harry_Palmer
I see your point but I still disagree. There is an awful lot of nonsense printed in the tabloids every day and you could pick any number of pieces and argue that vulnerable people might be adversely affected by it.
This is still no reason for censorship. There was nothing in the Icke interview that was promoting hate crimes or racism etc. To my mind these are the things that need to be looked at.
If Icke is so far off the mark why not get him on the BBC and let him debate with some experts so that he can be shown up for what he is? Surely this would be more effective in terms of reassuring those who are confused? Censorship just leads to more curiosity and leads people to wonder what it is that they don't want us to see.
He was on the BBC with Andrew Neil a while ago. See here: Neil was actually more respectful than I expected him to be. That said, he still couldn't resist mentioning about the lizards! :-)
As a result of this thread I ended up exploring the David Icke rabbit hole and while I won't defend his views I will defend his right to put them across. For London Real who appear to be an excellent medium (I will be checking out some of the other interviews) to be punished is quite bizarre.
The irony is that deleting the content and the publicity it attracted has probably caused people to search for the video resulting in more people listening to it!
[Post edited 14 Apr 2020 10:04]
It was the same when they used to ban pop songs from the charts. It made you want to hear them for the first time even more, even if half of them turned out to be crap! :-)
This is a problem I had researching this. I had no idea what sites and the information they contained were valid.
Which seemed to me means you just have to take the official narrative or that of the main media outlets and who's to say that is correct?
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to use Wiki on here (given the above comment about Wiki) but here goes anyway! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_conglomerate In 1984, fifty independent media companies owned the majority of media interests within the United States. As of 2020, 90% of the USA media is controlled by four media conglomerates: Comcast (via NBCUniversal), Disney, ViacomCBS (controlled by National Amusements), and AT&T (via WarnerMedia). So in just over 35 years they've gone from 50 (owning the majority) down to just 4 (owning the majority), that's a very real shift in power. How long until they're down to only 3, 2 or even just 1 (like in North Korea)? Might we be there in another 35 years from now? If they are ever down to just 1 network then I hope it's as good as this one:
Although you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be!
So looking at the above, in 1984 (think Orwell) the media wasn't nearly as centralised as it is now in 2020. Although admittedly the public didn't have access to the web in 84. But look at how heavily the web is censored in some countries in the world. Could we be sleepwalking and creeping towards something similar say to China? I sure hope not but every time somebody else like Brian Rose gets deplatformed, you do start to question the general direction of travel.
Vaccine Questions on 16:03 - Apr 13 by MarinerisGod
Your point about Mr Gates is very valid. His track record on medical grounds is dubious at best. A life long advocate on eugenics. Most of his philanthropic medical intervention overseas has resulted in sterilised children and or children being left sicker than they started. Being rich and having an interest in vaccines doesn't qualify him in any shape size or form to solve the problem.
Vaccine Questions on 19:41 - Apr 16 by MarinerisGod
Is someone else using your log in? I remember you... differently.
Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
As I said. Anything that contradicts the conspiracy is part of the conspiracy.
There are numerous studies showing this feedback loop.
There is no evidence in existence that you wouldn't fit into the above paradigm.
SB
That works both ways.
Must be nice living in a world where nothing nefarious is ever done by those that have control over the narrative. I delightful naivety we all long for.
Vaccine Questions on 19:52 - Apr 16 by MarinerisGod
That works both ways.
Must be nice living in a world where nothing nefarious is ever done by those that have control over the narrative. I delightful naivety we all long for.
Weird how my post to another triggers you. Bless.
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You're only confirming the previous point I made.
Enjoy knowing the truth.
SB
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Vaccine Questions on 20:04 - Apr 16 with 952 views
As a result of this thread I ended up exploring the David Icke rabbit hole and while I won't defend his views I will defend his right to put them across. For London Real who appear to be an excellent medium (I will be checking out some of the other interviews) to be punished is quite bizarre.
The irony is that deleting the content and the publicity it attracted has probably caused people to search for the video resulting in more people listening to it!
[Post edited 14 Apr 2020 10:04]
Rose is back! See here:
Seems LinkedIn bowed to the pressure. Pleased to learn they saw sense.
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