| Forgive me if this has been suggested before 17:43 - Apr 14 with 3205 views | BlueNomad |
One way of resolving the outstanding games of the season, which it appears, is some way off. Issues such as what will basically be a pre-season etc will delay their resumption further. So would the following work?
Scrap the cup competitions next season, thus freeing up dates. Carry this season over to create a double-season which counts the games played and points earned and add them to games from the 2020/21 season. In our case, for example, we would play eight extra league games by May 2021. The fact that hitting a good run might see us back in the reckoning, or even help Norwich stay up, is not my main consideration but seems fair. [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 17:50]
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 11:01 - Apr 15 with 622 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 10:44 - Apr 15 by itfcjoe |
Football is never fair, teams play others in different conditions with different injury or suspension lists or game pressures. The teams that played Leicester over Xmas when they made 11 changes didn't get a fair game compared to teams playing them with a weeks rest etc.
I'd personally play everyone home or away, split the table in 2 and then play the reverse fixture - all your competitors will have played the same fixtures, and a quarter of the season is gone, lose the cup games to an extent.
But depends when we can get playing - but for me the priority needs to be finish this season then sort out next |
Of course football isn’t always fair but the league does at least always consist of everyone playing the same fixtures
Your proposal is better than some that have been suggested but would still involve splitting the league with some teams having played more home games than others, and potentially an easier split of fixtures, and if the league is tight teams could miss out on the opportunity to compete for Europe or avoid a relegation battle as a result. It plainly wouldn’t be a level playing field |  |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 15:13 - Apr 15 with 597 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 11:01 - Apr 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Of course football isn’t always fair but the league does at least always consist of everyone playing the same fixtures
Your proposal is better than some that have been suggested but would still involve splitting the league with some teams having played more home games than others, and potentially an easier split of fixtures, and if the league is tight teams could miss out on the opportunity to compete for Europe or avoid a relegation battle as a result. It plainly wouldn’t be a level playing field |
It wouldn't be a level playing field to just bin off this season completely or end it as finished and prizes/commiserations handed out, either. |  |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 15:17 - Apr 15 with 592 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 15:13 - Apr 15 by BrixtonBlue |
It wouldn't be a level playing field to just bin off this season completely or end it as finished and prizes/commiserations handed out, either. |
This season invariably won’t be completed fairly anyway though assuming it can’t be completed by the end of June
Hence my point that insisting on completing this season at all costs even if it’s to the detriment of next season would potentially mean ruining 2 seasons, rather than just this one | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 15:26 - Apr 15 with 589 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 15:17 - Apr 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
This season invariably won’t be completed fairly anyway though assuming it can’t be completed by the end of June
Hence my point that insisting on completing this season at all costs even if it’s to the detriment of next season would potentially mean ruining 2 seasons, rather than just this one |
Why won't this season be completed fairly?
Also, you wouldn't be "ruining" next season, just delaying it. | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 15:54 - Apr 15 with 577 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 15:26 - Apr 15 by BrixtonBlue |
Why won't this season be completed fairly?
Also, you wouldn't be "ruining" next season, just delaying it. |
Having a massive mid-season gap is arguably a problem in itself, but even if you dispute that once the season goes past 30 June there will be issues with player contracts and squads changing to consider. You then will be faced with the prospect of teams having to resume games that come thick and fast with players not up to match fitness etc - in short it will be a mess
If both seasons can be completed in full fine but discussion is clearly based around the premise of completing this season at all costs even if that means having to shorten next season, as already covered in the thread | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 16:56 - Apr 15 with 565 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 15:54 - Apr 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Having a massive mid-season gap is arguably a problem in itself, but even if you dispute that once the season goes past 30 June there will be issues with player contracts and squads changing to consider. You then will be faced with the prospect of teams having to resume games that come thick and fast with players not up to match fitness etc - in short it will be a mess
If both seasons can be completed in full fine but discussion is clearly based around the premise of completing this season at all costs even if that means having to shorten next season, as already covered in the thread |
How will any of that be "unfair"? Everyone's in the same boat.
You said next season would be "ruined." We don't know that it would need to be shortened, it might just be delayed.
With so much of this season already played, I see no fair way we can NOT complete it. All the title/europe/promotion/relegation/scoring records and bonuses issues. You can't just throw all that in the bin IMO. | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:32 - Apr 15 with 548 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 16:56 - Apr 15 by BrixtonBlue |
How will any of that be "unfair"? Everyone's in the same boat.
You said next season would be "ruined." We don't know that it would need to be shortened, it might just be delayed.
With so much of this season already played, I see no fair way we can NOT complete it. All the title/europe/promotion/relegation/scoring records and bonuses issues. You can't just throw all that in the bin IMO. |
Everyone won’t be in the same boat though. Some teams will be better equipped to cope than others and some teams could wind up losing key players or having thinner squads as a result of contracts expiring at the end of June. Whatever happens from now it’s incredibly unlikely that this season will be able to be completed without some form of adverse impact
Your second paragraph is irrelevant. The premise is clearly based around next season being shortened to accommodate this one being finished, it was the proposal I originally replied to. Again, if it’s possible to complete this season and play the next in full then it’s a no brainer
Clearly there is a point where this season does go in the bin though - what if it can’t be resumed for over a year, for example? | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 19:42 - Apr 15 with 542 views | You_Bloo_Right |
Pools panel? |  |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 19:51 - Apr 15 with 541 views | pointofblue |
We can’t be certain next season won’t be punctuated by this virus. We might as well get this season done and ensure we only have one season possibly prevented from running in full rather than two. |  |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 23:43 - Apr 15 with 519 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 18:32 - Apr 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Everyone won’t be in the same boat though. Some teams will be better equipped to cope than others and some teams could wind up losing key players or having thinner squads as a result of contracts expiring at the end of June. Whatever happens from now it’s incredibly unlikely that this season will be able to be completed without some form of adverse impact
Your second paragraph is irrelevant. The premise is clearly based around next season being shortened to accommodate this one being finished, it was the proposal I originally replied to. Again, if it’s possible to complete this season and play the next in full then it’s a no brainer
Clearly there is a point where this season does go in the bin though - what if it can’t be resumed for over a year, for example? |
If it can't be resumed for over a year then next season goes in the bin.
I don't know why you're so desperate to bin a season that's not far off being completed anyway, rather than binning something that doesn't even exist yet.
Regarding contracts, something would have to be worked out like it has been for countless people in the real world. | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 23:45 - Apr 15 with 516 views | vapour_trail |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 23:43 - Apr 15 by BrixtonBlue |
If it can't be resumed for over a year then next season goes in the bin.
I don't know why you're so desperate to bin a season that's not far off being completed anyway, rather than binning something that doesn't even exist yet.
Regarding contracts, something would have to be worked out like it has been for countless people in the real world. |
Bin it. |  |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 06:30 - Apr 16 with 481 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 23:43 - Apr 15 by BrixtonBlue |
If it can't be resumed for over a year then next season goes in the bin.
I don't know why you're so desperate to bin a season that's not far off being completed anyway, rather than binning something that doesn't even exist yet.
Regarding contracts, something would have to be worked out like it has been for countless people in the real world. |
So actually there is a way we can’t complete it then, it just comes down to when play can be resumed
I’m not desperate to bin anything. I’ve posted 3 times now that the ideal scenario is both seasons being completed in full. However, my view is simply that if that isn’t possible, abandoning this season may be a better way to go rather than compromising two seasons
Sorting contracts clearly won’t be easy. Some players may not wish to extend if they can get a better offer elsewhere, and clubs won’t want to extend contracts of players that are surplus to requirements - particularly as many will be in a financial hole as a result of this. And that’s before you get onto sorting things like pre-contracted deals - what happens with Hakim Ziyech for example
It looks like a number of PL clubs are coming to a similar conclusion - although the idea of arbitrarily completing some fixtures is bonkers: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/15/premier-league-clubs-ending-sea [Post edited 16 Apr 2020 7:38]
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 07:11 - Apr 16 with 477 views | Churchman |
I would just scrap the season. Void it and aim to start again 1st Sept. harsh on some like Liverpool and lucky for others like Norwich or Luton? Very but hey ho that’s the way it goes.
An alternative would be to set up a strictly neutral Pools Panel consisting of Terry Butcher, Alex Mathie, Mick Mills and Danny Haynes to decide the postponed results. Who could argue with that? |  | | |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:14 - Apr 16 with 460 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 06:30 - Apr 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
So actually there is a way we can’t complete it then, it just comes down to when play can be resumed
I’m not desperate to bin anything. I’ve posted 3 times now that the ideal scenario is both seasons being completed in full. However, my view is simply that if that isn’t possible, abandoning this season may be a better way to go rather than compromising two seasons
Sorting contracts clearly won’t be easy. Some players may not wish to extend if they can get a better offer elsewhere, and clubs won’t want to extend contracts of players that are surplus to requirements - particularly as many will be in a financial hole as a result of this. And that’s before you get onto sorting things like pre-contracted deals - what happens with Hakim Ziyech for example
It looks like a number of PL clubs are coming to a similar conclusion - although the idea of arbitrarily completing some fixtures is bonkers: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/15/premier-league-clubs-ending-sea [Post edited 16 Apr 2020 7:38]
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"abandoning this season may be a better way to go rather than compromising two seasons"
If you wait and then complete this season when we're able to, yes it's compromised a bit but it's compromised for everyone, so it's fair. And everything everyone's already done hasn't gone to waste.
If you bin it you can't get any more compromised than that!
The following season isn't compromised. It doesn't even exist so how can it be compromised? If we need to start the new season in 2021-22 so be it. 2020-21 just never existed.
I've not disputed sorting contracts won't be easy. Sorting the financial situation for everyone in the country who isn't a footballer hasn't been easy either. It's tough but you get on with it.
I wonder, forgive me for I can't remember, are you one of those anti-Liverpool people? You say you're not desperate to bin anything, but other than the ideal scenario (which isn't really worth mentioning), your next go-to option is binning this season, every time you mention it. | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:32 - Apr 16 with 453 views | BlueNomad |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:14 - Apr 16 by BrixtonBlue |
"abandoning this season may be a better way to go rather than compromising two seasons"
If you wait and then complete this season when we're able to, yes it's compromised a bit but it's compromised for everyone, so it's fair. And everything everyone's already done hasn't gone to waste.
If you bin it you can't get any more compromised than that!
The following season isn't compromised. It doesn't even exist so how can it be compromised? If we need to start the new season in 2021-22 so be it. 2020-21 just never existed.
I've not disputed sorting contracts won't be easy. Sorting the financial situation for everyone in the country who isn't a footballer hasn't been easy either. It's tough but you get on with it.
I wonder, forgive me for I can't remember, are you one of those anti-Liverpool people? You say you're not desperate to bin anything, but other than the ideal scenario (which isn't really worth mentioning), your next go-to option is binning this season, every time you mention it. |
With my OP Liverpool would still have a massive lead. In this imperfect world they would have to hang on to it. See it as a 76 game season for the PL, 92 for us. If they get overhauled then too bad and kudos to whoever manages to do so. At the start of 21-22 everything would be nicely reset. [Post edited 16 Apr 2020 9:46]
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:34 - Apr 16 with 453 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:14 - Apr 16 by BrixtonBlue |
"abandoning this season may be a better way to go rather than compromising two seasons"
If you wait and then complete this season when we're able to, yes it's compromised a bit but it's compromised for everyone, so it's fair. And everything everyone's already done hasn't gone to waste.
If you bin it you can't get any more compromised than that!
The following season isn't compromised. It doesn't even exist so how can it be compromised? If we need to start the new season in 2021-22 so be it. 2020-21 just never existed.
I've not disputed sorting contracts won't be easy. Sorting the financial situation for everyone in the country who isn't a footballer hasn't been easy either. It's tough but you get on with it.
I wonder, forgive me for I can't remember, are you one of those anti-Liverpool people? You say you're not desperate to bin anything, but other than the ideal scenario (which isn't really worth mentioning), your next go-to option is binning this season, every time you mention it. |
I agree - for the fifth time if the season can be completed then great, and whilst it may be compromised that’s better than not completing at all
I don’t think you grasp the scale of the problem with the season extending past the 30th June though - it’s an absolute minefield
Your last paragraph is rather bizarre seeing as declaring this season null and void would mean Norwich staying up, which is clearly where I would be directing any bias if that was the basis of my thinking (after Ipswich of course). I also haven’t offered a view on what should actually happen with the current one if it can’t be completed (ie. declared complete or void). Perhaps I just have a different view to you? | |
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| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 14:12 - Apr 16 with 422 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Forgive me if this has been suggested before on 09:34 - Apr 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I agree - for the fifth time if the season can be completed then great, and whilst it may be compromised that’s better than not completing at all
I don’t think you grasp the scale of the problem with the season extending past the 30th June though - it’s an absolute minefield
Your last paragraph is rather bizarre seeing as declaring this season null and void would mean Norwich staying up, which is clearly where I would be directing any bias if that was the basis of my thinking (after Ipswich of course). I also haven’t offered a view on what should actually happen with the current one if it can’t be completed (ie. declared complete or void). Perhaps I just have a different view to you? |
Not sure why you keep repeating if the season can be completed then great. We get that. My main issue is your second option is bin it (if this goes on too long). Why would you bin something that has completed so much already? Just bin next season (which doesn't even exist as it's in the future), if you have to bin anything. That's my issue.
If your main thrust is that contracts are running out, it's a fair point and a sizeable problem. There's no need for the patronising, I'm quite able to grasp the scale of the problem. It's whether that is more important than the integrity of the game. And also, that there are lots of contractual issues if you bin the current season. Do the goals scored still count? In which case do the goal bonuses? What about bets paid out/lost/still running? Do the rest of our season tickets get refunded and can all clubs afford that?
Basically there's a tonne of crap to sort out whatever you do.
My last para was a genuine question. I know lots of people want to bin off this season to stop Liverpool winning the league. I'd agree it would be pretty funny if it's that which stops them. | |
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