| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down 12:31 - Apr 16 with 3202 views | NotSure |
No major lockdown, Cafes, Bars still open.
Are they just healthier in Sweden? |  | | |  |
| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 15:49 - Apr 16 with 747 views | Guthrum |
| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 14:26 - Apr 16 by monytowbray |
There are still heavily populated parts of Ireland though.
And plenty of other larger countries that have done better than us, Germany being an example. |
Tho Germany's population density (600 per sq mile) is not much more than half England's (1,098 per sq mile). The four largest cities in Germany (Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Cologne) combined have 2m fewer people living there than Greater London on its own.
Dublin only has 1.17m people, Cork 200k, everywhere else is smaller than Ipswich (only 26 towns and cities in the RoI are bigger than Newmarket). |  |
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| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 16:17 - Apr 16 with 715 views | Bluesquid |
But they have considerably more of the at risk population to lock down - over 1 million more than Norway for example.
And do the other Scandinavian countries include the Covid deaths at home and in care homes? |  | | |
| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 17:10 - Apr 16 with 680 views | longtimefan |
There are so many factors at play here it is just not possible to draw clear conclusions yet. Even when it all over, if ever, I don’t think it’s going to be easy. As an example, consider Belgium. It locked down on the 17th March when it had 1243 positive cases and 10 deaths. Germany instigated a lockdown in Bavaria only first on the 21st March when the country had 13957 cases and 31 deaths and didn’t go into a nationwide lock down until later. A few weeks later and Germany has a death rate of 46 per million population, while Belgium’s figure stands at 419, the worst for any country with a population more than 100K. | | | |
| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 17:21 - Apr 16 with 667 views | Leaky |
| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 15:49 - Apr 16 by Guthrum |
Tho Germany's population density (600 per sq mile) is not much more than half England's (1,098 per sq mile). The four largest cities in Germany (Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Cologne) combined have 2m fewer people living there than Greater London on its own.
Dublin only has 1.17m people, Cork 200k, everywhere else is smaller than Ipswich (only 26 towns and cities in the RoI are bigger than Newmarket). |
Agree with you on the density of population. However different countries have become a air travel transport hub. Could that have bearing on figures. I'm guessing London & New York being some where near the top |  | | |
| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 17:28 - Apr 16 with 664 views | Guthrum |
| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 17:21 - Apr 16 by Leaky |
Agree with you on the density of population. However different countries have become a air travel transport hub. Could that have bearing on figures. I'm guessing London & New York being some where near the top |
Also true. Plus the UK is a major global tourist destination and its universities centres for international students. All of which will not have helped in keeping the virus out/contained to start off with. | |
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| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 20:10 - Apr 16 with 616 views | Crock |
| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 16:17 - Apr 16 by Bluesquid |
But they have considerably more of the at risk population to lock down - over 1 million more than Norway for example.
And do the other Scandinavian countries include the Covid deaths at home and in care homes? |
Yes they do |  |
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| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 20:14 - Apr 16 with 608 views | monytowbray |
| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 15:49 - Apr 16 by Guthrum |
Tho Germany's population density (600 per sq mile) is not much more than half England's (1,098 per sq mile). The four largest cities in Germany (Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Cologne) combined have 2m fewer people living there than Greater London on its own.
Dublin only has 1.17m people, Cork 200k, everywhere else is smaller than Ipswich (only 26 towns and cities in the RoI are bigger than Newmarket). |
I said earlier I think density is certainly a factor, but again all of these places have cities where break outs could be deadly regardless because of busy places and movement so it would still pose a threat without measures in place.
I think it would be lazy to say it’s the only factor in play though to shift away from the human errors that rose that number on our side. Not saying you said that, just a general point. |  |
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| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 20:27 - Apr 16 with 594 views | gordon |
The stuff on demography and population density is mostly a red herring. In Europe, the main drivers of variation in outbreak severity have been connectivity to early epicentres (Wuhan and Lombardy), super-spreader incidents, and the speed and effectiveness of the response. |  | | |
| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 20:35 - Apr 16 with 582 views | Guthrum |
| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 20:14 - Apr 16 by monytowbray |
I said earlier I think density is certainly a factor, but again all of these places have cities where break outs could be deadly regardless because of busy places and movement so it would still pose a threat without measures in place.
I think it would be lazy to say it’s the only factor in play though to shift away from the human errors that rose that number on our side. Not saying you said that, just a general point. |
But we also cannot focus entirely upon human error until we can determine what, if any, have been made - and whether they caused any significant change to the infection or death rates.
Indeed, there is a balance between mistakes which were made and actions which have improved matters. It is, perhaps, unreasonable to expect governments to perform perfectly in a sudden crisis caused by an entirely new (to humans) disease. | |
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| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 20:48 - Apr 16 with 576 views | monytowbray |
| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 20:35 - Apr 16 by Guthrum |
But we also cannot focus entirely upon human error until we can determine what, if any, have been made - and whether they caused any significant change to the infection or death rates.
Indeed, there is a balance between mistakes which were made and actions which have improved matters. It is, perhaps, unreasonable to expect governments to perform perfectly in a sudden crisis caused by an entirely new (to humans) disease. |
I think it can be fairly conclusive at this point our late actions didn’t help. But the enquiry is for later I agree. | |
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| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 21:22 - Apr 16 with 554 views | The_Last_Baron |
Deaths are up in Sweden.
Remember Sweden is a big country with just 10 million people and no really big cities like London, New York or Paris. |  |
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| Sweden: Deaths down, Cases down on 21:23 - Apr 16 with 555 views | Sharkey |
I live in the south of Sweden, and down here the figures are much the same as in Denmark, which locked down much more firmly.
In Scandinavia, Stockholm has been by far the worst hit area. The main reason given for this is that Stockholm had its half-term, when people traditionally go skiing, at exactly the wrong time, and people came back from the Italian Alps and from after-ski events that were very crowded. Malmö and Gothenburg had their winter breaks in different weeks, and so there wasn't this sudden dollop of infected people arriving home from Italy.
The official advice down here in the south is still to get outside, get plenty of exercise and sunshine, and eat healthily. It's expected that here in Malmö the peak may be as late as midsummer, and the authorities want people to be as healthy as possible when it arrives. But nobody is claiming it's not going to hit here hard, and preparations continue.
As someone else pointed out, the main strategy here is to shield the vulnerable. A very high percentage of the deaths here have been in large clusters in old people's homes. A lot of old people also live alone are visited by carers who visit a whole bunch of homes in a day's work. These are the areas where most of the efforts at prevention are targeted.
The figures for Skåne, an area about the size of Norfolk and Suffolk I'd guess and containing Malmö, Helsingborg, Lund, Kristianstad and a couple of other towns were today:
Number of known cases: 490 (+19 from yesterday)
Number of tests: 5 853 (+168)
Number in hospital:78 (+3 from yesterday )
22 in intensive care (-1 from yesterday)
Deaths: 32 (unchanged for three days) |  | | |
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