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If contact tracing was carried out as is being reported it sounded like they responded appropriately. Doesn't sound like much of a cover up apart from not telling the media. Not that I know much about it.
I'm generally a big fan of Sturgeon, but heard this story a while ago and it sounded astonishing. I'm pretty sure that patient confidentiality isn't breached if you announce that there's been a COVID outbreak in central Edinburgh so take every precaution possible.
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This story isn't going away up here on 19:27 - May 18 by gordon
I'm generally a big fan of Sturgeon, but heard this story a while ago and it sounded astonishing. I'm pretty sure that patient confidentiality isn't breached if you announce that there's been a COVID outbreak in central Edinburgh so take every precaution possible.
Yes. Likewise I've been impressed by Sturgeon and very supportive but this is very worrying.
This story isn't going away up here on 19:46 - May 18 by GlasgowBlue
Yes. Likewise I've been impressed by Sturgeon and very supportive but this is very worrying.
One aspect which is a bit odd is the assertion that they did effective contact tracing - if they did, then surely it would've been impossible for this not to be public knowledge in Edinburgh because to contact trace 25 positive tests would've involved contacting hundreds of people.
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Even on the date of the conference there were confirmed cases in the UK. It was 5 days later that there was even the first positive test from someone at that conference. By which stage there were around 50 in the UK as a whole. Two days later when they confirmed 2 other positive tests from the conference there was over 100 confirmed cases. The Cheltenham festival even went ahead days after that when there were almost 400 cases.
What am I missing?
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This story isn't going away up here on 20:34 - May 18 by Darth_Koont
What's the actual cover-up? I don't get it.
Even on the date of the conference there were confirmed cases in the UK. It was 5 days later that there was even the first positive test from someone at that conference. By which stage there were around 50 in the UK as a whole. Two days later when they confirmed 2 other positive tests from the conference there was over 100 confirmed cases. The Cheltenham festival even went ahead days after that when there were almost 400 cases.
What am I missing?
I'd thought these cases were quite a few days before the first case in Scotland was announced. The article below would suggest that on the 8th March, there were 3 known cases in Lothians. If there were 25 cases that the authorities knew about in late February, that's a bit of a problem.
This story isn't going away up here on 20:54 - May 18 by gordon
I'd thought these cases were quite a few days before the first case in Scotland was announced. The article below would suggest that on the 8th March, there were 3 known cases in Lothians. If there were 25 cases that the authorities knew about in late February, that's a bit of a problem.
I think that's the intention with this story. It implies people knew about an outbreak at the conference on 26-27th February. And assumes readers don't know enough about how long it takes to present symptoms.
People didn't present the symptoms at the conference and the first confirmed case was on March 2nd in Italy I believe. And that was the individual returning to an area already with Covid-19. It was only in the next couple of days that two others from the conference, including one Scot were identified.
As an international conference, I believe the 25 cases are from all over Europe and would only be known about a week to 10 days afterwards.
As I say, I'm struggling to see the cover-up when by then Coronavirus was already well and truly in the UK and Scotland too.
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This story isn't going away up here on 21:07 - May 18 by Darth_Koont
I think that's the intention with this story. It implies people knew about an outbreak at the conference on 26-27th February. And assumes readers don't know enough about how long it takes to present symptoms.
People didn't present the symptoms at the conference and the first confirmed case was on March 2nd in Italy I believe. And that was the individual returning to an area already with Covid-19. It was only in the next couple of days that two others from the conference, including one Scot were identified.
As an international conference, I believe the 25 cases are from all over Europe and would only be known about a week to 10 days afterwards.
As I say, I'm struggling to see the cover-up when by then Coronavirus was already well and truly in the UK and Scotland too.
Don't you think that as soon as they knew there had been this outbreak in Edinburgh they should have made it public?
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This story isn't going away up here on 20:10 - May 18 by gordon
One aspect which is a bit odd is the assertion that they did effective contact tracing - if they did, then surely it would've been impossible for this not to be public knowledge in Edinburgh because to contact trace 25 positive tests would've involved contacting hundreds of people.
Quite. The biggest issue here seems to be more examples of the lost opportunity to respond and lock down earlier. But we knew that already.
I can understand why the opposition are challenging her though - governments do have a duty to be open and honest with something like this. So even if the outcome would have been no different because the people who really needed to know were traced and tested, just from a transparency and public confidence point it is a bit of a embarrassing problem for Sturgeon. But it's nowhere near as bad an issue as locking down too late imo.
This story isn't going away up here on 21:24 - May 18 by gordon
Don't you think that as soon as they knew there had been this outbreak in Edinburgh they should have made it public?
When was that known? The Scottish and the other case was announced on the 3rd or 4th of March so that was the soonest the link to the conference would have been confirmable. By then Coronavirus was already throughout the UK with 100 confirmed cases and new cases doubling every other day.
Everybody knew it was here and spreading throughout the UK.
Edited: It was 100 cases.
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This story isn't going away up here on 21:37 - May 18 by Swansea_Blue
Quite. The biggest issue here seems to be more examples of the lost opportunity to respond and lock down earlier. But we knew that already.
I can understand why the opposition are challenging her though - governments do have a duty to be open and honest with something like this. So even if the outcome would have been no different because the people who really needed to know were traced and tested, just from a transparency and public confidence point it is a bit of a embarrassing problem for Sturgeon. But it's nowhere near as bad an issue as locking down too late imo.
The dates are out of whack Swanners. There were no confirmed cases from the conference in late February. Indeed not until the 3rd or 4th of March when there were around 100 other cases throughout the UK and even in Scotland.
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Not quite as scandalous as emptying the hospitals of sick people, put a juddering halt to diagnosis and all duty of care - just to create capacity in a critically underfunded NHS for an over exagerated tsunami that never happened, whilst simultaneously ignoring the blinding reality that the real 'front line' was the community - and in particular community care.
Add in the invisible 'second wave' already happening -- all those unfortunates who are having their myriad of current problems not diagnosed and/or treated and the number of premature deaths will inevitably be well above average for years to come.
Genocide is what they should be calling it. You either believe this government is utterly incompetent and doing the polar opposite of what is required to suppress a pandemic - or it is deliberately pursuing a deliberate and callous policy of 'herd immunity',
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